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-<elinenbe> hello there
-<elinenbe> here is a little something hard drive mp3 player related...
-<elinenbe> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=70&e=4&cid=70&u=/cn/20020612/tc_cn/935202
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-<Bagder> moo
-<adi|home> AHHHH
-<adi|home> Bagder: is back!!!
-* adi|home runs away screaming
-* Bagder stands tall and watches adiamas run away
---> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
-<Bagder> hey Z
-<Zagor> hey all
-<Zagor> everyone in the office is looking at the world cup... /me can't be bothered.
-* Bagder agrees
-<Zagor> Bagder: could we change the changelog file to changes-<date>.txt? apparently MSIE refuses to display .log files in the browser. at least I fail.
-<Bagder> hehe
-<Bagder> noooo :-)
-<Zagor> for some reason I can't even persuade Opera to do the right thing :(
-<Bagder> m m m mozilla
-<Zagor> yeah, but there's the rest of the world too :)
-* Bagder takes up the fight against the world
-<Bagder> ok, so exactly the same only .txt instead of .log?
-<webmind> hmm
-<webmind> isnt that the server ?
-<webmind> that gives out a wrong mime format?
-<Zagor> no, the mime type is correct. MSIE ignores mime types.
-<webmind> owh.. jolly :)
-<Zagor> Bagder: yes please
-<Bagder> coming right up
-<Bagder> there
-<webmind> u could make a symlink called: msie-change-<date>.txt
-<webmind> :)
-<Zagor> works in MSIE now
-<Bagder> i-am-a-looser-gimme-that-ie-link.txt
-<Zagor> Opera still won't display it. very strange
-<webmind> opera6?
-<webmind> opera does weird things
-<Bagder> Zagor: you should check for .log *or* .txt for now
-<Zagor> ok
-<Bagder> Zagor: the older ones are still .log
-<Zagor> opera mostly does The Right Thing, sometimes more than you want...
-<webmind> uhm yeah
-<webmind> ans sometimes completely not
-<Zagor> don't confuse "won
-<Zagor> ah, never mind
-* adi|home pokes you in the head
-<adi|home> so i never got a full answer.. what type of files are accpectable playlist?
-<adi|home> .m2u?
-<adi|home> m3u rather
-<Bagder> .m3u
-<Bagder> full path names
-<adi|home> anything else?
-<Bagder> nope
-<Bagder> lf or crlf separated
-<adi|home> right..
-<adi|home> okay...
-<adi|home> grrrrr... 2 world cup games on at once.. this is tough
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-<Zagor> hey linus
-<adi|home> and both games i wanna see :(
-<Linus> moo
-<adi|home> zag.. did you see the FAQ?
-<adi|home> I put the stuf in from you /. email
-<adi|home> wanted to know if things make sense
-<Zagor> adi|home: nice. i'll take a look
-<adi|home> k
-<adi|home> let me know if there is anything we're missing
-<Zagor> yup
-<adi|home> not that i will put it in.. but go ahead and tell me ;)
-<Linus> Zagor: don't you think the FAQ should have the same blue background?
-<adi|home> id agree
-<adi|home> if you want.. i can purty it up and put it into html
-<adi|home> can keep an html and text version if you like
-<Zagor> hmm, i'd like to keep it one file
-<Zagor> i'll try to make a perl hack to format the txt file into a html page
-<adi|home> if your going to.. can you also toss in an auto index?
-<Zagor> yup
-<adi|home> all questions will be formated with Q#. on the first left col.
-<Zagor> good
-<adi|home> so just pull that and then link them to the actual question
-<Zagor> and a clear line btwn questions
-<adi|home> *nods*
-<adi|home> all answers are A#. as well
-<adi|home> and if you are really bored.. ;)
-<adi|home> you could parse for http lines and make them links ;0
-<Bagder> he should
-<adi|home> oh.. and last thing
-<adi|home> i could _really_ use central air here.. so when ever you want to come over and put it in
-<adi|home> id be ever so greatful
-<Zagor> A18 should probably not be so Gatesy. wav is uncompressed simple PCM data. you're probably thinking of WMA files?
-<adi|home> nah.. i wsa just being a dick :)
-<adi|home> i fix :)
-<Zagor> the answer is good, for WMA
-<Zagor> :)
-<adi|home> okay.. fixed
-<Linus> I had my Recorder running the gdb stub for almost a whole day yesterday, connected to the charger
-<Linus> and when i switched back to the original firmware, the battery meter was completely screwed up...
-<Zagor> ooh. for starters, or after several minutes too?
-<Linus> it is always empty when i boot it up, and then shows a normal setting
-<Bagder> weeirdo
-<Linus> and after a while it shows empty again
-<Bagder> btw, the buttons are too sensitive
-<Zagor> and stays empty?
-<Linus> Zagor: i don't know. I had it in my pocket most of the time
-<Linus> Bagder: bounces?
-<adi|home> define too sensative
-<Bagder> possibly, I just noticed that when I wanted to get into a directory
-<Bagder> I often ended up going down two levels at once
-<Linus> i have the same experience with the player
-<Linus> we need debouncing of some kind
-<Bagder> yeps
-<Hadaka> hmm, why do the buttons bounce - does the hardware actually do that?
-<Zagor> yes
-<adi|home> ahh.. that just may be our timing Bagder
-<Linus> most definitely
-<Zagor> it's a standard problem for all buttons
-<Hadaka> not on the arcade buttons I've dealt with ;)
-<Bagder> hehe
-<Zagor> that's because they added debounce, just like we need to
-<Hadaka> hardware debounce?
-<Zagor> we have to do it in software
-<Hadaka> well ok, just as long as it allows me to press a button for 1/60th of a second and still get the press in
-<Zagor> hehe. 60 Hz is quite a heavy load. I'd say 30 is more reasonable
-<Zagor> oh well, we'll just test and adjust
-<Hadaka> yeah
-<adi|home> what exactly is debounce?
-<Zagor> detection and suppression of (very) short double-presses
-<adi|home> ahh.. k
-<Zagor> it's due to there being noise in the button connection, so it sometimes electrically flip-flops several times per intended keypress
-<Linus> adi|home: we compensate for the button bouncing by reading the buttons several times
-<adi|home> *nods*
-<adi|home> grrrrr.. screen redraw on th recorder is still not right
-<Zagor> no? what happens?
-<adi|home> well.. i have a short filename
-<adi|home> and i have long filenames
-<adi|home> all is fine till i scroll and bring the short file as the last one on te screen
-<adi|home> it seems we aren't clearing the line before we draw the new text there
-<adi|home> so you have remaining garbage
-<Zagor> testing...
-<adi|home> im tracking it now
-<Bagder> try to repeat it in the simulator
-<adi|home> i am now
-<adi|home> its in the simulator that im getting it
-<Bagder> aha
-<Zagor> ok
-<adi|home> what aha?
-<Bagder> nothing, I just thought you saw in on target
-<Bagder> s/in/it
-<Zagor> I can't repeat the problem. I have a short file in the last line, no problem
-<adi|home> you need to have the short file _not_ on the screen to begin with.. hold on.. ill get a screen shot for you
-<Zagor> i didn't. it was song #15
-<adi|home> ill try a recompile
-<adi|home> maybe i have an old obj file
-<Zagor> adi|home: Q28 should read "is this legal" not "is that legal"
-<adi|home> k
-<Zagor> both "that" in Q28 should be "this"
-<Zagor> A29 will fail parsing, since it contains blank lines
-<adi|home> nope.. still getting it.. hmmm.. ill try and update again.
-<adi|home> http://orion.ramapo.edu/~rhak/misc/shot.png
-<adi|home> look at that
-<Zagor> A30 should probably say something like "The first release is called 1.0 because it has a basic working feature set, that works and has no known bugs. That is what 1.0 means."
-<Zagor> adi|home: looking. odd that I can't repeat it.
-<Zagor> ah, got it.
-<Zagor> the previous file has to scroll first, then when I scroll down I get the bug
-<adi|home> ahh okay
-<adi|home> so im not insane ;)
-<Zagor> well I wouldn't rule that out just yet...
-<adi|home> hehehe
-* Bagder hears noise from the lab
-<Bagder> there's a tv there
-<Zagor> yeah, sweden scored a goal
-<Bagder> I suspected that
-<Linus> Yieeehaaaaa!!!!!
-<adi|home> heheheh
-<adi|home> yup
-<adi|home> just saw replay
-<adi|home> im watching the rong damn game
-<Zagor> hehe
-<adi|home> i want to watch england
-<adi|home> and i want to watch argentina lose
-<Bagder> wooo, playlist icon
-* adi|home nods happily
-<adi|home> we have it, why not use it?
-<adi|home> FAQ fixed
-<Zagor> yay, neato
-<Bagder> did anyone try to play a playlist yet?
-* adi|home is all about 1-3 line code additions ;)
-<adi|home> hehe nope...
-<Zagor> Bagder: nope :)
-<adi|home> i don't want my recorder to explode ;)
-<Bagder> haha
-<adi|home> if someone gets me a nice new compile ill test it...
-<Bagder> hehe, the recorder will happily ignore it
-<adi|home> i havent built my cross compiler yet
-<adi|home> ahh.. then nope...
-<adi|home> okay.. bleary eyes.. and im still on call for another 3 hrs.. im off to bed...
-<Bagder> night adi
-<adi|home> if you have any toher FAQ changes.. post them.. ill get them in the (my) morning
-<Zagor> looks good for now. thanks!
-<Bagder> I'm not satisfied with the scroll
-<Zagor> ok?
-<Bagder> too much blanks
-<Zagor> yes, I agree. looking at that now
-<Bagder> neato
-<Zagor> when the last char leaves the left side, the first should come in on the right. no "empty line"
-<Zagor> or do you want it even tighter?
-<Bagder> exactly
-<Bagder> I could do with just X spaces in between
-<Bagder> where X would be 2-3
-<Bagder> I mean between the last and the first
-<Zagor> i think that might sometimes be confusing, as it wouldn't be obvious where the start is
-<Zagor> i'll do the simple fix first
-<Bagder> I think it is an improvment as it'll make more text readable at all times
-<webmind> hmmm
-<webmind> should any 60gb 2.5" hd work in a jukebox studio ?
-<webmind> or 40gb
-<Zagor> if it's 9.5mm, yes
-<webmind> nice..
-<Zagor> just check the power requirements. the toshiba 60gig draws very much power at startup
-<webmind> hm k
-<webmind> woulkd take forever to fill though i think
-<Zagor> it's not a problem, but it might make a difference in battery life
-<webmind> uhuh
-<webmind> and batterylife is already decreasing
-<Bagder> Greg Haerr seems to be "mr Microwindows"
-<Zagor> huh?
-<Zagor> oh
-<Zagor> cool
-<Bagder> yeps
-<Bagder> heh, Greg is good ;-)
-<Zagor> yeah
-<Zagor> yay, the new server hardware has arrived
-<Bagder> yay!
-<Zagor> dual Athlon MP 1600+
-<Bagder> 1600MHz, aren't they called 1800 or something?
-<Zagor> ah, yes
-<Zagor> those model names are confusing :)
-<Bagder> indeed
-<Zagor> uh, my scroll fix didn't look so good on the player...
-<Bagder> ata_read_sectors() could be renamed to ata_read_sector() I guess and always read one
-<Zagor> nah we'll just fix it instead
-<Bagder> so you plan to use other than 1 too then
-<Zagor> umm, maybe not. only the fat32 driver uses ata and that always just reads 1.
-<Bagder> that's my point, if the reading works good today, then we don't need anything else but 1
-<Zagor> agreed
-<Linus> Zagor: does the ATA read sector loop need to poll the DRQ bit for each sector?
-<Zagor> ummm, don't remember
-<Linus> it doesn't today
-<Zagor> let's just skip the loop, we never read more than one anyway
-<Linus> i'm fixing the bug Greg found
-<Linus> we night gain some performance by reading several sectors at once
-<Linus> might
-<Linus> i am a moron
-<Zagor> umm, yes. but our code doesn't...
-<Linus> we do wait for DRQ
-<Linus> I'll just add the buf += 512 and it should work
-<Bagder> += SECTOR_SIZE
-<Bagder> right?
-<Linus> yeah
-<Zagor> duh, i suck
-<Bagder> hey, Anja loved Rockbox... she could play tetris ;-)
-<Zagor> hehe
-<Bagder> although the not playing music part was a bit hard to explain ;-)
-<Bagder> "yes, this is an mp3 player but it can't play mp3"
-<Zagor> haha
-<Bagder> there are three threads right now, isn't it? with the new one being the lcd scroll?
-<Zagor> yes. i'm writing a response to his mail :)
-<Bagder> goodie
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-<adam> heh
-<adam> X11 session from one Linux box to the Linux craptop
-<adam> == amusing
-<adam> prepped for the great LUG today
-<adam> :P
-<Bagder> :-)
-<Bagder> what LUG is this?
-<adam> I got a back ache when I brought my massive box last time
-<adam> heh
-<adam> a local LUG in Minneapolis
-<adam> pretty unofficial ;p
-<adam> we don't even have a website
-<adam> I think anyone who says Linux has no use on laptops is a total dimwit
-<Zagor> well whay else would you use?
-<adam> they generally don't require one use some damned 'touchpad' 90% of the time
-<Zagor> nintendo?
-<adam> I'd generally prefer a big hulking tower for Linux
-<adam> but I guess two reasons I'm REALLY liking it on this laptop
-<adam> the network segment Windows 9x basically screwed up totally with the crappy pegasus chipset USB adapter
-<adam> linux complains, but doesn't die.
-<adam> which is a huge improvement
-<adam> second off, this thing is old and slow. Linux makes it very usable. Windows does not.
-<adam> 4:30 AM
-<adam> my sanity apparently exited when I first moved into x86
-<adam> moving from a 68000 to a 68040 then to an 800mhz PIII :P
-<Bagder> amiga?
-<adam> heh, nope
-<adam> amusing. running this xmms from a box on the other end of the home, displaying it an xserver on this laptop, then playing the sound via an icecasted stream.
-* adam needs to become less lazy about setting up NFS
---> plmirc (plmirc@152.190.62.62.9massy1-1-ro-bas-1.9tel.net) has joined #Rockbox
-<adam> hi
-<plmirc> Hi at all
-<plmirc> just a very little question
-<plmirc> hmm...
-<Zagor> sure
-<adam> why not a big interesting question?
-<plmirc> why mean the message ata: -4
-<Bagder> it means you're using old software ;-)
-<Zagor> it means the ata code bugs for recorder
-<plmirc> I'm too hurry ?
-<Zagor> try the latest daily build
-<plmirc> it is this one I tried
-<Linus> plmirc: what kind of recorder do you have?
-<plmirc> archos20020612.ajz
-<plmirc> I have the 10 G version
-<Zagor> which recorder model do you have?
-<Bagder> *plopp*
-<Linus> i think we have found our man!
-<Zagor> interesting! we have only tested with recorder20 so far. you can help!
-<plmirc> oupsss
-<Linus> plmirc: you are our hero!
-<plmirc> ciao !!!
-<Bagder> our man
-<plmirc> really ?
-<adam> heh
-<plmirc> but why explain me !
-<Linus> yes! we have been looking for a guy with an older recorder
-<plmirc> YEAH !!!!!!!! If I can help you the first enjoyed !!
-<Linus> plmirc: are you willing to try a test version?
-<plmirc> YEAH !!!!!!!! If I can help you, I'm the first enjoyed !!
-<adam> ...
-<plmirc> Yes I want !
-<Linus> hang on...
-<plmirc> what do you want I do ?
-<Linus> can I mail it to you?
-<plmirc> y orginal firmware is the 1.24
-<plmirc> yes
-<plmirc> My mail is
-<adam> oh well.
-* adam hits the hay
-<adam> good night
-<plmirc> p_lm@hotmail.com
-<Linus> night
-<-- adam has quit ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c19 for the Atari 2600 today!")
-<Zagor> night adam
-<plmirc> night
-<Linus> ok, plmirc. Hang on.
-<plmirc> I wnat to say before continue that I really love your idea to create an open firmware for the archos mp3 player/recorder
-<plmirc> And i really really want to encourage you !!
-<Bagder> :-)
-<plmirc> The World is needed men like you !!!
-<Zagor> hehe. thanks
-<Linus> thanks!
-<plmirc> excuse my english....
-<Zagor> where are you from?
-<plmirc> I'm french
-<Zagor> ok
-<plmirc> and you ?
-<Zagor> we (the core team) are swedish
-<plmirc> Congratulation for your football demonstration !!
-<Zagor> but there are english, french and american contributors too
-<Zagor> hehe, yeah they seem to be happy about it :) I'm not much into football myself.
-<Linus> Go Sweden Go!
-<plmirc> every body is into football when it is the world cup .. isn't it ?
-<Linus> plmirc: i have mailed the test code
-<Zagor> well some of us prefer hacking :)
-<plmirc> oki
-<Linus> plmirc: but i'm not sure how it works, i accidentally included some other non-working changes...
-<plmirc> I check my mail box right now
-<Linus> (the MAS3587F code)
-<plmirc> yeah i have it
-<Linus> good luck, and be careful out there... :-)
-<plmirc> there is a big bad virus in that ??
-<Linus> :-)
-<plmirc> no i'm kidding
-<plmirc> but why it is so small
-<Linus> surprised?
-<plmirc> the official has a double size
-<Linus> well, we are not done yet.
-<plmirc> Are you limited by the size ?
-<Linus> The limit is about 250Kb I believe
-<plmirc> I connect my archos mp3 recorder 10 G version
-<Linus> but we don't know for sure
-<Linus> *boooom*
-<plmirc> I copy your file....
-* Bagder awaits
-<Linus> (drum roll)
-<plmirc> yes i looked for this word, thx ! ;)
-<plmirc> and.......
-<plmirc> and .....
-<plmirc> and ..
-<Bagder> *silence*
-<plmirc> ok i deconnect and turn it off now
-<Zagor> the suspense is KILLING me! :-)
-<Linus> even more that the football game
-<Zagor> and to think people found the world cup match exciting
-<plmirc> hmmmm
-<Linus> than
-<Linus> don't say that
-<plmirc> rockbox vs cvs is on the screen this time during a longer time
-<plmirc> and yes i can now view all my files
-<Linus> YIPPIE!!!!
-<Bagder> *kewl*
-<plmirc> what are you changing ?
-<Zagor> YAY
-<plmirc> what did you change ?
-<Linus> The address encoding of the ATA registers is different in your version
-<Bagder> so we need to autodetect that somehow
-<Linus> I suspected this, and you made it possible to verify
-<Linus> You saved my day!
-<plmirc> I can go in and out directory whith ouot any problem !
-<plmirc> Good Job !
-<Linus> Don't try to play anything...
-<Bagder> plmirc: now press the menu key and play tetris ;-)
-<plmirc> oki
-<plmirc> it is possible ?
-<Linus> yes
-<plmirc> no i don't beleive it
-<Linus> no, playing mp3 is not possible
-<plmirc> let's try ...
-<Linus> yet
-<Linus> OK. now we need a way to autodetect this
-<plmirc> YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OU OU OU OU OU YEAHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS WORKING I PLKAY TETRIS ON MY ARCHOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-<Zagor> plmirc: press a menu key, then you can play tetris
-<plmirc> WOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU §!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-<Linus> maybe we can do the same as the master/slave detection?
-* Bagder laughs
-<plmirc> YES UES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-<Zagor> Linus: what is the difference?
-<plmirc> ou !!!
-<plmirc> whowww !! it is fast
-<plmirc> yeah !!!!!!!!!!!
-<plmirc> it marvellous !!!
-<plmirc> I love it
-<plmirc> I made 0 line but I love it !
-<Linus> Zagor: what do you mean?
-<Zagor> what's the difference in ATA adressing?
-<Linus> The CONTROL/ALT_STATUS is at 0x61000306 in older versions, 0x61000206 in newer
-<Linus> How lame
-<Zagor> and it doesn't work to adress 306 in newer versions?
-<Linus> no.
-<Zagor> :(
-<Linus> I wonder why they have changed the address encoding in only one specific version?
-<Zagor> rec20 is obviously a major update
-<Linus> They must have screwed up
-<Linus> I mean, why have it at 206 in Player, change it to 306 in the recorder10, only to change it back in recorder20???
-<Linus> plmirc: can you be around for more tests in the future?
-<Zagor> ah, you're right
-<Zagor> I wonder what the recorder6 has
-<Linus> 306 i guess
-<Linus> the difference is probably only the HD
-<Zagor> yse
-<Zagor> yes
-<plmirc> linus: yes I' ll be
-<Linus> good. we need you
-<Linus> Zagor: do you think we should autodetect or configure?
-<Zagor> i'm not sure
-<Zagor> it's a fourth target...
-* Bagder hrmpfs
-<Linus> if it's only the ATA I think we should autodetect
-<Zagor> still, if we auto-detect this why wouldn't we auto-detect the player lcd?
-<plmirc> just a little question.. again.. but songs can be played on the player version and not on the recorder version.... it will take a long time before recorder can play song too ?? Are you near of this result with recorder version ?
-<Linus> I wonder if there are players around with 306 addressing=?
-<Linus> plmirc: it's not far away
-<Zagor> I think we'd have heard about that
-<plmirc> oki thx linus
-<Zagor> Bagder: was that hrmpf an opinion of some sort?
-<Linus> Zagor: their firmware use variables for the ATA register addresses
-<Zagor> yes of course. and for lcd function pointers
-<Linus> "of course"?
-<Bagder> Zagor: yes, I'd prefer autodetect of the ATA
-<Zagor> so should we then autodetect the lcd too?
-<Bagder> not necessarily
-<Zagor> ...since?
-<Linus> no we can't autodetect the lcd
-<Bagder> the lcd differences are so huge
-<Zagor> sure we can, just like the stock firmware does
-<Linus> ah, the ond/new player lcd
-<Linus> old
-<Bagder> ah, that
-<Zagor> yes
-<Linus> i thought you meant the recorder.....
-<Bagder> me too ;-)
-<Bagder> I could very well have an player-LCD auto detect too, yes
-<Linus> that would be nice
-<plmirc> There is an other function which can be interesting, but maybe it is too early to think about it right now, can I tell it to you now or I have to wait before speaking about new function ?
-<Linus> shoot!
-<plmirc> shoot ?
-<Zagor> go ahead and tell us
-<plmirc> ok
-<plmirc> sometimes when I'm listening a song I want to listen an other one in a other directory just after the ont which playing
-<plmirc> it is possible to select the next song which will be playing during an other song is playing ?
-<plmirc> it is like a playlist but in real time
-<plmirc> I don't know if you know what I mean ?
-<plmirc> and if you think it is really interesting ?
-<Linus> Like the queue option in the Archos firmware?
-<plmirc> yes but during a song is playing
-<plmirc> not pre-determinated like a winamp playlist song
-<Linus> Tha Archos firmware has exactly that, so I want that for Rockbox as well
-<Zagor> yeah, that will probably come sooner or later
-<plmirc> it is like when your listen a mp3 whith winamp and you select the next dropping the file in the queue
-<plmirc> well.. it was the idea of the day, if you need me just call me...
-<plmirc> going to sleep... but my computer stay online
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-<Linus> night
-<Zagor> Linus: is the mutex atomic?
-<Linus> probably not
-<Linus> why?
-<Zagor> i was thinking about what greg said. since we use the queue code from both threads and interrupts, shouldn't the mutex be interrupt protected?
-<Linus> the queue code doesn't use the mutex
-<Zagor> ah, ok then
-<Linus> it disables the irq
-<Zagor> good
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-<Bagder> brb
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-<plmirc> I just wake up and I made a dream.. I play Tetris on my archos with an other opposant through usb cable, it will be possible ?
-<Zagor> no, usb is out of our control
-<plmirc> snif :'(
-<Zagor> it is only for harddisk access
-<plmirc> there is the digital IN/out port !!!!
-<Zagor> yes, it's a little boring
-<Zagor> yes but that's only for sound data. we can't access it directly either
-<plmirc> i know it is possible to have information from ear port
-<Zagor> no, only to the port. not from.
-<plmirc> it is the way of remote control
-<Zagor> yes, but it's only one-way
-<plmirc> hummm ok.... hmmm . there 's any port again...
-<plmirc> :'( one-way, no way...
-<plmirc> yeah !!! I found !!!!!!!!
-<plmirc> why not use the line-in port for the one-way information and the ear port for the other-way information ???
-<Zagor> the ear port is the only port we can control. line is directly connected to the sound chip
-<plmirc> dawn !!!
-<plmirc> shit !!
-<Zagor> now now, no foul languange necessary
-<plmirc> sorry... :p
-<Bagder> Zagor: so when's the server upgrade happening?
-<Zagor> i'm thinking about doing it tomorrow morning, to minimise the impact
-<Bagder> sounds wise
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-<elinenbe> I was jsut reading thorough the logs.my recorder firmware is 1.17ia. I still get the ATA error with the dail builds
-<Bagder> elinenbe: what recorder type?
-<Zagor> elinenbe: the new ata code isn't in the daily yet. it was just a test.
-<elinenbe> it ia a recorder 6GB
-<Bagder> elinenbe: yes, that once will need a fix
-<Bagder> that one
-<elinenbe> have you figured out the problem with this version?
-<Zagor> ok, so at least we know 6 and 10 are the same
-<Bagder> yes
-<elinenbe> send me the firmware and I will try it out.
-<Bagder> Zagor: do you have any good idea on how to autodetect?
-<Zagor> we could probably do something in the line of our master/slave detect. test the two addresses and see who responds correctly
-<Zagor> elinenbe: are you prepared to test?
-<elinenbe> I am always prepared.
-<elinenbe> I am using chatzilla here though, so I have no DCC transfers.
-<Zagor> no problem, i'm putting it on the web server
-<elinenbe> you have to support the OSS movement.
-<Zagor> the force is strong with you... :)
-<elinenbe> I see the change logs have added a CR or a LF to the end. This makes windows users happy.
-<Bagder> actually, the extension was changed and that's the only diff ;-)
-<Zagor> it's just silly windows browsers that care about filenames instead of mime types
-<elinenbe> true. It was changed from .log to .txt
-<elinenbe> that is some stupid shit
-<Zagor> that is msie for you...
-<elinenbe> just tell me when it [the recorder firmware] is up on the web page. I will go to town with it.
-<Bagder> it doesn't play any music yet though ;-)
-<elinenbe> understandable... who needs to play mp3s anyway
-<Zagor> tetris works, that's all you need :)
-<elinenbe> true.
-<Zagor> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz
-<Zagor> go go go
-<Zagor> noooo, won't work. stop
-<Zagor> now
-<Zagor> my fingers are quicker than my brain :)
-<elinenbe> so, should I try it?
-<Zagor> yes
-<Zagor> i'll try it on my rec20 too
-<Zagor> works for me. how about you?
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-<elinenbe> Paraguay is now up 3-1 on Slovenia -- 3 goals in the 2nd half
-<elinenbe> "ata: -4"
-<elinenbe> :(
-<Bagder> ough
-<Zagor> hmm, ok new version. try again.
-<Bagder> was that an autodetect attempt?
-<Zagor> yes
-<Zagor> worked for me, but I set one bit wrong
-<elinenbe> on the player why dont you use the up down buttons to scroll through the directory? and the left right to go into/ out of the directory.
-<elinenbe> it seems more logical
-<Zagor> because it doesn't have up and down buttons.
-<Zagor> people have used left/right (which are actually called -/+) for ages, they will scream bloody murder if we change that
-<Zagor> look at the comparison and you'll see the player doesn't use the same cursor navigation concept as the recorder
-<elinenbe> true. I forgot. I used to have a player, but I got one of the first recorders.
-<Zagor> Linus|meeting: what were the addresses? you said 0x06100306 and 0x06100206 but the "old" code uses 0x06200206
-<Zagor> this last version gives me an ata: -4 too
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-<edx> hi
-<Bagder> hey
-<elinenbe> hey there.
-<edx> *fixing win32 code finally now..*
-<Bagder> coolio
-* elinenbe starts yelling "E-D-X" at the top of his lungs and wakes the neightbors!
-<edx> lol
-<elinenbe> after scrolling and playlist are added, just the playmodes need to be added and we almost have equal functionality to the original player!
-<elinenbe> that is quite impressive.
-<Zagor> yeah, it's gone quickly
-<edx> heh has Archos ever contacted you Bjorn?
-<Zagor> not about rockbox, no
-<edx> hehe
-<edx> whether they even know..?
-<Zagor> they wanted my help developing the multimedia jukebox last summer, though...
-<edx> cool
-<elinenbe> are you serious?
-<elinenbe> did you help?
-<edx> this multimedia thing rocks.
-<edx> how come they chose you? :)
-<elinenbe> that multimedia thing has been delayed more than 6 months!
-<Zagor> yup. but they bailed out when they saw my hourly rates :)
-<edx> lol
-<Zagor> they had seen my "dissecting the archos" page and the linux driver
-<edx> ah
-<elinenbe> well, at least they know where to look
-<elinenbe> myabe they should have highered someone who request higher rates.
-<Zagor> hehe
-<elinenbe> there stuff is "quite" buggy
-<elinenbe> I dont have a player so I have yet to test the recent functionality, but have you heard of any crashes -- (as inthe archos crashes where you have no clue what is going on)
-<Zagor> no, we've had very little problems
-<elinenbe> that is quite excellent.
-<Bagder> I suspect that it isn't being used very heavily yet
-<Zagor> yes, that's nice. we found and nailed a rather nasty bug just before release, so we've had a bit of luck too
-<Bagder> when the playlists come, I think that'll improve
-<Zagor> yup
-<elinenbe> I was wondering if you would be able to have a "high-activity" buffering mode and a "low-activity" buffer mode?
-<Zagor> are they playlists ready for random, bagder?
-<Zagor> elinenbe: why?
-<Bagder> Zagor: yes they are prepared, the code is all there
-<elinenbe> by that I mean you can have redundant disk reads? like if you are running with the player.
-<Zagor> we'll have to do lots of testing first, to see how (and even if) we can improve skipping
-<elinenbe> then it could read the disk more often... and verify the data or try and reread the data, or just struggle with whatever data it is reading
-<Zagor> Bagder: can we randomise the playlist while playing it?
-<elinenbe> what will happen on the player if I shake the hell out of it while it is playing... for a few minutes?
-<Zagor> (sorry haven't read the code very thoroughly)
-<Bagder> Zagor: sure
-<Zagor> elinenbe: i don't know :)
-<Zagor> Bagder: so if I add a "randomize" entry to the menu, we're pretty much set?
-<Bagder> Zagor: pretty much, we might want one option to toggle "shuffle" and perhaps another one for reshuffle
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-<Zagor> Bagder: umm, how do we turn off random?
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-<Bagder> uh
-<Bagder> ;-)
-<Bagder> we'd need to reload the playlist
-<Bagder> to get the correct order back
-<Zagor> well, we don't have to support "un-randomizing" right now
-<edx> hmm Bagder...
-<Bagder> yes?
-<edx> Bagder: lcd_init..what's that
-<edx> I cant use that :P
-<Zagor> starting the scroll thread
-<edx> ah ok
-<edx> then i can..
-<edx> sorry ;)
-<Zagor> hehe
-<elinenbe> I think in time a "The" filter should be added in...
-<edx> what are the params of create_thread.... ?
-<elinenbe> where files that start with "The" the "The" is ignored...
-<Bagder> create_thread(void* fp, void* sp, int stk_size)
-<Bagder> function pointer, stack pointer, stack size
-<edx> hmm ok
-<Zagor> elinenbe: hehe
-<Bagder> we need a generic "filter" to present song names shorter
-<Bagder> I might have a go at someting like that soonish
-<Zagor> it's an 1.2 feature anyway
-<Bagder> yeah
-<Bagder> but even 1.2 features need to be written ;-)
-<Zagor> hehe, yup
-<edx> Bagder.. what do you do with the stack pointer?
-<Bagder> nothing
-<edx> good
-<edx> me neither lol
-<Bagder> ;-)
-<Bagder> pthreads usually have 2MB stack anyway
-<edx> i use the stk_size variable though...
-<Bagder> don't
-<edx> what is init_threads supposed to do btw.. (why not?)
-<Bagder> you're likely to use more stack than the target
-<edx> ok
-<Bagder> so the stack size will be tuned for target performance and may not be good enogh for hsot
-<edx> hmmm with the linux simulator.. dont you get "mpeg_play undefined" or something like that?
-<Bagder> no
-<edx> ah
-<edx> ok i see
-<Bagder> I have a stub for it
-<edx> you defined it
-<edx> (ill just copy..)
-<Bagder> there's a init_threads() too in the x11 sim
-<edx> and then.. whats yield?
-<Bagder> yield is: "now, someone else might want to run a while"
-<Bagder> we have cooperative multitasking
-<edx> aha
-<Bagder> each thread must themselves let go
-<edx> uhmm... where is it defined (and do i need a stub for it?)
-<Bagder> you implement the thread layer
-<Bagder> you need to provide yield
-<edx> aha
-<edx> i still dont get what its supposed to do
-<Bagder> edx: you should make sure that only one thread at a time is running
-<edx> and where is it defined for the target?
-<Bagder> and when the thread calls yield(), another thread may start executing
-<edx> ok.. start or continue?
-<Bagder> yield() is in kernel.c
-<edx> k
-<Bagder> continue
-<Bagder> create_thread() starts threads
-<Bagder> all threads must call yield()
-<edx> ok no problem then.
-<edx> is there a stop_thread or somehting alike?
-<Bagder> only when a thread calls yield will any other thread get to run
-<Linus|meeting> No
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-<Bagder> no stopping of threads, no
-<edx> and why not? :)
-<Bagder> we don't need it
-<edx> (the scroll thread is always running..?.. yes)
-<Bagder> if the need ever comes up, we'll add it
-<Bagder> yes
-<Linus> Watch my new cool commit
-* Bagder switches to his rockboxcvs box
-<Bagder> now come to papa
-<Bagder> coolness
-<Bagder> now, does it work? ;-)
-<Zagor> Linus: bah, mine is a lot smaller
-<Zagor> but it still doesn't work.
-<Bagder> haha
-<Linus> Mine works
-<Zagor> for rec6?
-<Linus> yes
-<Linus> oh, sorry, i havent tried that
-<Zagor> give it to elinenbe
-<Linus> does he have a 0x306 box?
-<Zagor> rec6, yes
-<Bagder> yes
-<Bagder> elinenbe: here?
-<Zagor> why would the data stay on the bus when we have read lots of instructions inbetween the accesses?
-<Linus> so you know that rec6 has 0x306 address encoding?
-<elinenbe> I am here.
-<Zagor> at gives ata: -4 anyway, which indicates it
-<elinenbe> but leaving for class soon
-<elinenbe> I have a rec6
-<Linus> because we don't execute code behind the ATA buffers
-<Bagder> elinenbe, pick a recorder version here http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/
-<elinenbe> Badger: that version works.
-<Linus> Zagor: it is not about data staying on the CPU data bus, it's about data staying on the ATA bus
-<Bagder> *ding*
-<Bagder> neato
-<elinenbe> I can scroll through the songs!
-<elinenbe> great!
-<Zagor> nicers
-<elinenbe> that is nice.
-<Bagder> coolers boys
-<Zagor> i still think we should combine the master/slave and version check :)
-<Zagor> linus version is bloooooated ;)
-<Bagder> haha
-<Linus> What is bloated about it?
-<Bagder> he still has 1 - 0 for making it work ;-)
-<Zagor> just kidding, i did it like this:
-<Zagor> /* check for master/slave on both control addresses */
-<Zagor> for ( control_addr = (void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR1;
-<Zagor> control_addr !=(void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR2;
-<Zagor> control_addr = (void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR2 ) {
-<Zagor> that brings down the change to about 10 lines
-<elinenbe> nice. can you get the scrolling faster? :)
-<Zagor> elinenbe: go into the menu and set the speed yourself
-<elinenbe> well, laters. congradualtion on the fine effort.
-<edx> what does create_thread return on failure / success?
-<Bagder> I want page down/up in three browser
-<elinenbe> very nicely done.
-<Bagder> tree
-<Zagor> Bagder: yes, but that requires multiple keys which we don't support yet
-<elinenbe> how about how soon it scrolls? -- like as soon as you put the curson on the filename.
-<Linus> gotta go. bye!
-<Bagder> ah
-<Bagder> see ya Linus
-<Zagor> elinenbe: that can't be changed yet
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-<elinenbe> I think a highly configuralbe firmware with some good default options will be awesome.
-<Zagor> yep. it's called Rockbox :)
-<elinenbe> much like the iriver/riovolt 250 firmwares...
-<elinenbe> well, you know what I mean... options for everything.
-<Zagor> i know
-<edx> When one thread is started (begin_thread).. then all other threads are suspended, right?
-<elinenbe> the first level of tetris is too fast :)
-<elinenbe> hehe...
-<elinenbe> later.
-<Zagor> edx: yes
-<Zagor> that's how it should be
-<edx> ok
-<edx> Zagor: what does beginthread return on success / failure?
-<Bagder> it doesn't fail
-<Zagor> beginthread? that's not in the api is it?
-<Bagder> no
-<edx> mine can fail.
-<Bagder> then it can exit ;-)
-<Zagor> Xlib: sequence lost (0x10000 > 0xc5) in reply type 0x0!
-<Zagor> i still get a lot of X errors, bagder
-<Zagor> X error in rockboxui:
-<Zagor> X Error of failed request: 0
-<Zagor> Major opcode of failed request: 0 ()
-<Zagor> Serial number of failed request: 0
-<Zagor> Current serial number in output stream: 197
-<Bagder> weird I didn't get them at all yesterday
-<Zagor> try running it remotely, that might trigger it
-<Zagor> or else it's my starwin32 that's fooling around
-<Bagder> I can't right now, my X redirect is messed up
-<Zagor> ok
-<Zagor> also I get an X beep for every keypress I do. very odd.
-<Bagder> righ, I get that too at home
-<Bagder> no idea why
-<edx> jipie! reduced errors to one...
-<Bagder> way to go
-<edx> not with this one
-<edx> *done*
-<Bagder> cool, you are fast
-<Bagder> will you remove the intptr_t from dir.h too?
-<Zagor> and the .rc file
-<edx> ... the rc file.. that was your mistake i think.. it had always been in the cvs...
-<Bagder> but it doesn't compile
-<Bagder> see Gary's mail
-<edx> *great* why not?
-<edx> i will...
-<edx> in a sec
-<Bagder> Greg's mail of course
-* Bagder writes "Gary is not Greg" a 100 times
-<edx> hehe
-* edx didnt even notice you switched names ;)
-<Bagder> hehe
-* edx writes it 50 times
-<edx> is scrolling used on the player?
-<Zagor> yes
-<edx> when?
-<Zagor> i'm working on a better scroll, though
-<edx> ... i would like to see scrolling... it doesnt scroll :)
-<Bagder> it should scroll
-<Zagor> short names don't scroll. find a long filename
-<edx> folder name.. ?
-<Zagor> file or folder
-<edx> (long folder name wont scroll.. :()
-<Zagor> then it's a bug
-<Zagor> actually i found a bug with that. names only 1 char too long don't scroll.
-<Zagor> the length calculation was wrong
-<edx> uhm its much longer.. rather a uisw bug ;)
-<Zagor> oh, doh, i forgot what you were working on :)
-<edx> ok that sucks... the thread suspends itself :/
-<Bagder> hehe
-<edx> not funny :P
-<jedix> whats new?
-<Zagor> we got the ata code working on all recorders now
-<edx> it wont scroll!
-<edx> scroll_count stays 0.. also for folders :/
-<Bagder> it scrolls on target
-<Bagder> and in the X11 simulator
-<edx> apps.. main.c needs to include thread.h for init_threads
-<edx> main.c .. init must return a value
-<Bagder> it must?
-<edx> dont know.. vc says it must
-<Bagder> right
-<Bagder> should be a void
-<edx> noo...
-<edx> whats this
-<edx> ah ok
-<edx> recorder scrolls, too?
-<Bagder> yes
-<edx> (no, not on the simulator :/)
-<Bagder> is too ;-)
-<edx> bah
-<edx> lol
-<edx> how do i pop up the menu again :/
-<Bagder> Zagor: you added any randomize menu?
-<Zagor> not yet, working on Scroller++ :)
-<Bagder> edx: the -
-<edx> (wont work)
-<edx> what's all this lol
-<Bagder> I'll go home, see ya later
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-<edx> why wont the menu show up??!
-<Zagor> you must press F1 now, not F2 or F3
-<edx> ok
-<Zagor> that is: you must press /, not * or -
-<edx> ahhh
-<edx> thanks
-<edx> ok scrolling works in the menu!
-<edx> not whilke browsing though
-<Zagor> weird
-<Zagor> add a debugf() in scroll_thread to see that it's running properly
-<edx> pah who wokrs with debugf.. breakpoint there ... it works ;)
-<Zagor> haha
-<edx> scroll_count
-<edx> that is 0...
-<edx> hmm
-<edx> lcd_puts_scroll sets it to 1...
-<edx> now that's weird.
-<edx> uhm
-<edx> its 0 again... for some reason.. uhm.. well ill debug a little
-<edx> why is lcd_stop_scroll called directly before putsscroll?
-<edx> that's not wonder at all ... stop_scroll sets it to 0 again!
-<Zagor> because stop_scroll restores the line. the next putsscroll starts scrolling on another line
-<edx> hmmhm
-<edx> but its called over and over again
-<edx> (tree.c ln 366)
-<Zagor> you have an old tree.c 366 is the last return
-<edx> oh lol
-<edx> ...
-<edx> but there, too, lcd_stop_scroll is called over and over again
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-<Zagor> where?
-<Zagor> it's called once per screen update
-<edx> ln 366... whats that
-<edx> hum?
-<Zagor> 366 is "return false;"
-<edx> i just updated.. (i even deleted the whole folder and checked out again)
-<edx> strange.
-<Zagor> uh, lemme check
-<Zagor> it's my version that's different. let me check it in.
-<Zagor> now
-<Zagor> also grab the new lcd.c
-<edx> k
-<edx> uhm.. its always set to 0 again :/
-<Zagor> strange. well it works in target and x11 simulator...
-<edx> hah! setting scroll speed to 1.. then it works LOL
-<edx> scroll_speed/2 .. that does not work according to c... for scroll_speed = 1 (1/2 = 0)
-<Zagor> yes, don't use scroll_speed=1
-<edx> thats the only number it works for lol
-<Zagor> eh? make it better :)
-<edx> it's set to 0 (by scroll_stop) before the scroll function is called - how can this work whereever else..?
-<Zagor> no, scroll_count is set to 0. not speed.
-<edx> ok
-<edx> whatever.
-<edx> still... why?
-<Zagor> well there's a difference :)
-<Zagor> because by setting it to 0 the scroll stops
-<edx> great.
-<edx> then it stopsstopsstops ...
-<edx> line 366 is called more than 10 times a sec...
-<edx> is that correct?
-<Zagor> 366 is "return false;"
-<edx> *crying...*
-<edx> lcd_stop_scroll();
-<edx> that's what it is
-<Zagor> no, i don't get that called other than when the screen is scrolled or the cursor is moved
-<Zagor> where is it called from?
-<edx> ok.. now it is return false; (done another update)
-<Zagor> returns?
-<edx> still.. it wont scroll...
-<Zagor> it's void. what are you doing?
-<edx> now its line 359 i am talking about
-<edx> tree.c ln 359
-<edx> is always called :(
-<Zagor> check your button_get. if the argument is true, it's not supposed to return until you press a key.
-<Zagor> that's probably it
-<edx> ahhhhhhh
-<edx> thats OF COURSE it ;)
-<Zagor> ok, good!
-<edx> who did put that argument in there?
-<Zagor> i did
-<edx> i am sorry for bothering you all the time.. :)
-<Zagor> that was last week, i think. looong ago :)
-<Zagor> no problem :)
-<edx> now thats your own fault!
-<edx> hehe
-<Zagor> i have to rush. see you tomorrow!
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-<edx> YEAY!
-* edx got scroll to work!
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-<edx|away> Bagder2: are you the "real" Bagder? lol
-<Bagder2> noooo, I'm 100% fake ;-)
-<edx|away> was that ironi? lol if not then who are you :)
-<Bagder2> you should recognize that I use the same host pattern as always
-<Bagder2> should be an indication
-<Bagder2> so yes, its me
-<edx|away> in windows i can only see that if i really want to (and I had a look at it and rcognized name etc were correct.. but you can never be sure ;))
-<edx|away> got scrolling to work on the simulator
-<Bagder2> cool
-<Bagder2> I noticed your commits
-<edx|away> was just teh button_get function which did not work for 1st argument = true
-<edx|away> hm.. gotta eat something... be right back
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-<Bagder2> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/daily.shtml
-<adi|work> edx i wanted to say.. good work on the windows side mate...
-<edx|eats> adi.. thanks :)
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-<adi|work> as for you Bagder2... well... atleast your swedish ;)
-<adi|work> has anyone else been really helping you?
-<Bagder2> edx, you should check the compile status page after you commit stuff... it broke again
-<Bagder2> fixed now
-<edx> ouh.. what was it?
-<Bagder2> different init protos in apps/main.c
-<edx> himhum.. think i fixed that (?)
-<Bagder2> yes, you fixed it for the simulator
-<Bagder2> and broke all non-sims ;-)
-<Bagder2> 6 red boxes
-<edx> ok... very sorry for that.. didnt know there was one for each (sim/target)
-<Bagder2> no worries
-<edx> next time i'll have a look at it
-<Bagder2> I just meant that as an advice
-<edx> .. and it's a good one ;)
-<edx> didnt know it would update that fast.. that's really cool what you did there :D
-<Bagder2> it updates every 20 minutes if there are changes done
-* Bagder2 bows
-* edx applauds
-* Bagder2 likes Björns scroll-fix
-<adi|work> that scroll does look good
-<adi|work> okay, who broke the sim?
-<adi|work> i can't get into the menu anymore
-<adi|work> for the recorder
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-<jedix> adi| whats your problem with the scroll?
-<adi|work> noting.. i like the scroll
-<adi|work> but the sim for some reason, doesnt' bring up the menu anymore...
-<adi|work> for the recorder
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-<Coug> does anyone know how to install an archos driver when it says "you do not have sufficient security priveleges to install this hardware" in windows 2000
-<Coug> yes.... I did get permission
-<edx> press /
-<edx> ... adi
-<edx> for the menu
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-<g003y> woo... busy today :D
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-<Bagder> hey
-<Linus> cuckoo!
-<Bagder> the builds went red again, but I got to turn them green ;-)
-<adi|work> aren't the sim for the recorders supposed to go into menu when you hit '*'?
-<Linus> red builds. oh my god!
-<adi|work> cause it seems it does it on '/' now.
-<Bagder> I think Björn moved that, on purpose or not
-<Linus> So did Zagor finally accept my ATA patch...? :-)
-<Linus> the bloated one
-<Bagder> hah
-<Bagder> he who writes the working code wins
-<Linus> :-)
-<Linus> BTW, did we give jedix credit for his work on the scroller?
-<Bagder> I don't think we did
-<adi|work> where do we need to give him credit?
-<adi|work> on the credits list?
-<Bagder> we should get Greg on IRC
-<adi|work> Greg?
-<Bagder> Haerr
-* adi|work doesn't recognize the name
-<Bagder> from the mailing list
-<adi|work> ahh..okay..
-<Bagder> he posted like 7 times the last 24 hours
-<adi|work> that guy.. eheh okay
-<adi|work> :)
-<adi|work> just sent him an invite
-<Bagder> night
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-<Linus> night
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-<ironi> hey
-<ironi> björn you have klez =)
-<ironi> how did you get it in linux
-<ironi> hehe
-<ironi> oh
-<ironi> anyone awake?
-<ironi> wow
-<ironi> the firmware is getting really good
-<ironi> but the moving around is still wrong
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-<gregh> hello
-<gregh> is this the rockbox developer irc channel?
-<ironi> yepp
-<ironi> that's it?
-<ironi> all you had to ask?
-<ironi> =)
-<gregh> would you believe I've been hacking code for 20 years
-<gregh> and never used irc?
-<gregh> a few folks suggested I get on this channel
-<gregh> I was thinking of jumping in and hacking the windows
-<gregh> simulator version a bit... I'm stuck using windows
-<gregh> for now and its hard to dual boot...
-<ironi> heh =)
-<ironi> i see
-<ironi> well welcome to irc
-<ironi> you have missed out on something for the last...well not 20 but maybe 10 years
-<adi|work> hey gregh... glad you came over :)
-<adi|work> you just missed Bagder and Linus
-<gregh> who is adi|work? Is that edx?
-<adi|work> they went to sleep a bit ago..
-<adi|work> adi|work: adiamas
-<gregh> oh shoot.
-<adi|work> adi|home: adiamas
-<adi|work> :)
-<adi|work> they are in sweden...
-<ironi> hm
-<ironi> and i am just a wannabe that has been around since day 1 of development
-<gregh> I'm thinking it would be fun to hack some code for the player
-<ironi> the only i have contributed with is the name "rockbox" and a bit of the website design
-<gregh> but I'm lazy and don't have time to cross compile so I've
-<gregh> got to get the windows simulator working great first...
-<gregh> ironi - well you did a good job on the name!
-<ironi> gregh: I'm kind of prud actually
-<ironi> hehe
-<ironi> I would hack code if I knew more
-<ironi> But I'll give it some more time
-<gregh> does everyone here use the x11 version, or instead
-<gregh> the actual target version?
-<ironi> heh gregh you dont need to press enter like that
-<ironi> =)
-<PsycoXul> haha
-<gregh> oh, were your screens scrolling? I double clicked on a few
-<gregh> peoples names... I don't quite know what I'm doing on IRC!!
-<PsycoXul> just type what you wanna say
-<PsycoXul> nothing special
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<gregh> it was interesting to see where everybody's IP address was
-<gregh> ok, I think I've got it back under control now...
-<gregh> so - what feature should I hack on first?
-<PsycoXul> you can put more on 1 line, rather than hitting enter between pieces ...
-<ironi> gregh: what client do you use?
-<gregh> I just pulled down mIRC. What do you recommend? I am hitting enter a bit frequently, I see
-<ironi> gregh: well mirc is good for beginners
-<ironi> stick to that for a while
-<ironi> i personally use xircon, another windows client
-<gregh> hehe
-* PsycoXul recomends *NIX clients :p
-<ironi> which i find better , but i guess that is just what im used to
-<ironi> PsycoXul: u think? for a newbie?
-<PsycoXul> well if he's on windows he can't very well use them so i guess he's better off sticking with mirc
-<ironi> gregh: well a few hints: you doint need to type the entire nick of someone you address, jsut type first letter then tab
-<PsycoXul> :p
-<ironi> or a few letters then :
-<gregh> mIRC requires payment after 30 days I think
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<PsycoXul> sure it does
-<PsycoXul> :p
-<gregh> I have to use windows for my damn email for the time being
-<ironi> /j to join /msg to private message /dns to see ip of a user, /notice to notice a user, /server to change server
-<ironi> the basic irc commands
-<ironi> =)
-<ironi> i cant beilieve there are actually ppl on this planet that have never used irc...today...2003 =)
-<ironi> no offence, gregh
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<PsycoXul> ironi: you get out much?
-<gregh> well, I spend too much time in the VI editor.
-<PsycoXul> lots of people haven't used irc :p
-<ironi> PsycoXul: wel i mean like programmers, computer-freaks etc
-<ironi> =)
-<gregh> I readily admitted my IRC failings so that you wouldn't think I'm completely out of it...
-<ironi> PsycoXul: yah i get out much but irc is a part of my life
-<PsycoXul> yeah
-<gregh> what happens if you're gone for a while and someone sends a message, etc?
-<PsycoXul> irc's funny like that
-<ironi> It sounds kinda geeky to say u have friends on irc, that you consider your friends.
-<PsycoXul> well if you're not connected then you're not on the network to get it
-<PsycoXul> it'll tell them you're not there
-<ironi> gregh: you can set your self away like /away reason bla bla
-<PsycoXul> if you are connected it'll scroll in your client, and depending on settings your client may log it for you
-<gregh> I can see that IRC is much more interactive than email, and you can get a better feel for the type of person you
-<gregh> re communicating with...
-<ironi> gregh: of course
-<PsycoXul> or it'll just be like in the scrollback
-<ironi> hell, I met my girlfriend on irc
-<ironi> hahaha
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<gregh> are the communications in IRC logged ?
-<ironi> gregh: you can log it, yes
-<gregh> (I wonder if I'll meet my future ex-girlfriend on IRC?)
-<gregh> I mean is there a master log for review?
-<ironi> gregh: optimistic, aye?
-<PsycoXul> servers don't log
-<ironi> gregh: I don't think so
-<PsycoXul> generaly
-<ironi> Never heard of it anyway
-<PsycoXul> other people connected and in the channel can log the chan though
-<ironi> gregh: well you wont find any girls (hardly) on this network =)(
-<PsycoXul> ironi: where will you find them?
-<gregh> ironi: yeah, I bet not ;-(
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<gregh> I meet girls with my rockbox, though =)
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<ironi> PsycoXul: i just meant there are other networks with channels that are more for "ordinary" ppl
-<ironi> chat channels
-<ironi> gregh: hehehe
-<PsycoXul> ah
-<PsycoXul> yeah but ordinary people suck :/
-<ironi> well
-<ironi> gregh: another good irc network (i think) is efnet, weher eoyu can find a lot of good channels
-<PsycoXul> yeah efnet's huge
-<PsycoXul> lots of people, lots of chans
-<PsycoXul> i dunno that i'd call it a good network though
-<PsycoXul> :p
-<ironi> PsycoXul: well its a good balance between good topics and off-topic talk
-<ironi> if you know what i mean
-<PsycoXul> well that all depends on the chan
-<ironi> comparing to nets like dalnet =)
-<ironi> PsycoXul: of course
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-<ironi> well dalnet has some good linux channels
-<ironi> oops
-<ironi> there he went
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-<PsycoXul> whoa
-<ironi> PsycoXul: where are you located?
-<PsycoXul> he's in the same area as i am
-<ironi> whats that, los angeles?
-<ironi> lsan?
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-<PsycoXul> san bernardino county i guess
-<gregh> am I back, good god I just got cut off
-<ironi> oh really
-<PsycoXul> i'm in colton myself
-<ironi> gregh you nad PsycoXul seem to be neighbours
-<gregh> I am in newport beach right now
-<ironi> PsycoXul: is that california? =)
-<gregh> yepp
-* ironi has no clue
-<PsycoXul> yeah
-<ironi> gregh you can use /me to talk about yourself in third person
-<gregh> do you know why I was just disconnected with no warning?
-<ironi> so are you close?
-<PsycoXul> connection reset by peer
-<PsycoXul> well i guess not so close if he's on a beach
-<PsycoXul> i'm rather inland
-<ironi> newport beach and colton
-<gregh> where is PsycoXul? I missed the last 3 minutes
-<ironi> ok
-<gregh> where the heck is colton?
-<PsycoXul> near rialto
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<gregh> ok, where is rialto...
-<ironi> hahaha
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<gregh> I'm from salt lake city, actually
-<PsycoXul> san bernardino county
-<gregh> but hangin here in newport
-<ironi> well im in sweden
-<gregh> what time is it, ironi
-<PsycoXul> pretty close to riverside i think
-<ironi> i was in saint louis, MO for 5 months last year though
-<gregh> oh, then you are near chino?
-<ironi> 2:48 am
-<PsycoXul> i'm not sure where chino is
-<ironi> you guys haha
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<ironi> sometimes i forget how damn big usa is
-<gregh> he he, CA's too big a place
-<ironi> =)
-<ironi> it sure is
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<PsycoXul> yeah california could be 2 states
-<PsycoXul> and still be pretty big ones
-<PsycoXul> :p
-<gregh> probably will be someday
-<PsycoXul> yeah
-<ironi> but you both have *,dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net
-<PsycoXul> yeah
-<PsycoXul> pacbell's funky
-<ironi> sounds to me like you should be close :-P
-<PsycoXul> i'd think so too
-<ironi> i has swbell when i was in stl
-<ironi> had
-<gregh> ironi: i typed '/dns ironi' and nothing happened...
-<ironi> nothing?
-<ironi> strange
-<ironi> try /whois ironi
-<PsycoXul> since i've seen .dsl.XXXX.pacbell.net different one's for LA and san diego i figured lsan was san bernardino..
-<ironi> not same thing
-<gregh> where's it supposed to put the info, on the line above?
-<ironi> on the line you type
-<ironi> oh oh
-<ironi> default mirc
-<ironi> in the status window
-<ironi> is where it gets put
-<ironi> damn default mirc is not all that funny
-<gregh> oh, yes, there it is, hidden behind my window
-<PsycoXul> and btw for unix/linux irc client i recomend irssi
-<ironi> I would recommend xircon if you want winsdows gui client
-<ironi> irssi rocks
-<ironi> but i like windows
-<ironi> to put 4 channels in a tile
-<ironi> so i can see all at once on my 19"
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<ironi> thats heaven for me :-P
-<ironi> actually 6 right now
-<gregh> ah yes, that sounds like a good idea for a long time IRC person
-<PsycoXul> you can have windows in irssi arranged how you like them
-<ironi> PsycoXul: nut in 2x2
-<PsycoXul> really?
-<ironi> just above each other
-<PsycoXul> i use fullsize windows
-<ironi> as far as i know
-<ironi> you talking console irssi?
-<PsycoXul> 15 of them right now
-<gregh> any idea why I was disconnected without notice?
-<PsycoXul> though only 14 in use :p
-<ironi> ok wlel then you have to press buttons to change chans
-<PsycoXul> alt and a number
-<PsycoXul> big deal :p
-<PsycoXul> like my hands aren't already pressing buttons to be and chat on irc :p
-<ironi> gregh: connection reset by peer
-<PsycoXul> its more convenient than having to move a hand over to the mouse
-<gregh> you're talking a human or machine? You mean TCPIP reset by peer
-<PsycoXul> and i don't have the precious screen real estate to have them all visible at once
-<PsycoXul> ...especialy having 14 windows
-<PsycoXul> being on 4 different networks
-<gregh> control-shift-f6 will change between mdi windows in windows
-<ironi> gregh: if it happens sometimes, its just like that, it happens
-<PsycoXul> 10+ different channels
-<ironi> im on 2 networks
-<ironi> gregh: i would really recoomend xircon to you
-<ironi> its really nice
-<PsycoXul> yeah
-<ironi> for windows
-<gregh> I'll pull it down
-<ironi> you do need kano too
-<PsycoXul> xircon's the least-shitty windows irc client i've found
-<ironi> xircon raw is crap
-<PsycoXul> :p
-<ironi> PsycoXul: with kano its really extensive
-<ironi> the nick completion is unbeatable
-<PsycoXul> yeah i've seen kano
-<PsycoXul> i like irssi's nick completion
-<gregh> is kano an addon
-<PsycoXul> yeah its a script
-<ironi> http://www.xircon.com/pub/xircon/XiRC10B4.EXE
-<ironi> install that first
-<PsycoXul> i'm not a big fan of tcl personally
-<ironi> dont bother to run it befor eyou install....
-<ironi> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/kanotcl/k15beta8.exe
-<ironi> that
-<PsycoXul> i'm not really fond of perl either, but i respect it and its a lot better than tcl :p
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<ironi> when running the kano installer make sure you select the "first time install"
-<ironi> irssi is tcl or?
-<PsycoXul> irssi uses perl for its scripting
-<PsycoXul> xircon uses tcl
-<ironi> http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/kanotcl/k15beta8.exe
-<ironi> try that link for kano
-<ironi> the first one maybe didnt work
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<gregh> www.xircon.com/pub/xircon/XiRC10B4.EXE
-<gregh> I had to repeat that since I finally got logging turned on
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<PsycoXul> ok
-<ironi> you can click that link to open broswer
-<ironi> at least in xircon
-<gregh> and I never know when I'll get a disconnected
-<ironi> gregh: heh that doesnt happen so often, and with xircon + kano the windows wont empty when you reconnect
-<gregh> oh..
-<gregh> ok, got em both downloaded
-<ironi> even if oyu get kicked and rejoin
-<ironi> so install xircon first
-<ironi> then after that install kano and make sure you select the update settings box
-<gregh> shall I install it right now while I'm talkin with you guys?
-<ironi> makes some things easier
-<ironi> sure why not
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<gregh> here goes
-<gregh> heh
-<PsycoXul> imma go watch the conformavision
-<PsycoXul> bbl :p
-<gregh> xIRC installed
-<ironi> k
-<gregh> except no desktop icon, hm
-<ironi> its in the start menu
-<ironi> =)
-<ironi> well dont run it
-<ironi> install kano first
-<gregh> installing kano now...
-<ironi> k
-<ironi> now xirocn is a bit different but a lot easier to understand i think
-<ironi> especiallt he cinenct dialog
-<gregh> did you say I should check the "update settings" box?
-<ironi> yep
-<ironi> definitely
-<ironi> did you?
-<gregh> and all the other boxes?
-<ironi> yah i think so
-<ironi> dont rememberthe others
-<ironi> =)
-<gregh> ok kano installed
-<gregh> now what
-<ironi> so now start xircon
-<gregh> should i log in and keep connected here also?
-<gregh> can you run two clients?
-<ironi> yeah if its possible
-<ironi> well yes
-<gregh> ok, here goes...!
-<ironi> but sometimes a server doenst accept two conenctions
-<ironi> from same if
-<ironi> but if you conenct to irc.openprojects.org you wont always end up on the same
-<ironi> it redirects
-<gregh> i'm running it now, does it always take a bit after logging into the server to ask for the channel connection?
-<ironi> oh you mean the pop-up window?
-<gregh> yes, it's got a black (single) window
-<ironi> ok
-<ironi> you can use /j rockbox
-<ironi> /j is short for join
-<ironi> not working?
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-<ironi> hehe
-<ironi> there u go
-<new_gregh> hehe
-<ironi> ok so there are a few things you should configure
-<ironi> if you right click in the channel
-<ironi> configure/options/kanos options
-<new_gregh> right click in the black window?
-<ironi> uncheck any box checked on the lower half on the middle section
-<ironi> yeah in the channel window you are talking in
-<new_gregh> there aren't checkboxes, just hierarchical menus...
-<ironi> well in the menu ther eis configure -> options -> kanos options
-<ironi> there i would recommend to unchek all boxes in the lower half on th emiddle section, like reprt fatal erros and so on
-<gregh> ok, I've got that up now
-<ironi> also set "autoaway" to "off", and "on nick highlight" to "echo in focused"
-<ironi> the hit ok
-<gregh> good god what a bunch of options...!!
-<ironi> then
-<ironi> yeah there is A LOT more
-<ironi> if you want
-<ironi> but you dont need to
-<gregh> ok, did all that
-<ironi> done?
-<ironi> ok
-<new_gregh> yep, here I am
-<ironi> configure -> options -> modules options
-<ironi> check automatically log all channels to dir
-<gregh> geez a zillion more options
-<ironi> its a grwat fnction that sorts logs , channels in one dir and querys (private conversations) in one
-<new_gregh> done
-<ironi> configure -> options -> addons options
-<gregh> ok
-<ironi> remove the bottow five checkboxes
-<ironi> they are annoying
-<ironi> well actually
-<new_gregh> done
-<ironi> if u want spellfix, keep it
-<ironi> i cant use it since i talk in swedish in some channels
-<new_gregh> no spell fix for now, I never make a mistrake ;-)
-<ironi> ok and now
-<ironi> mistrake
-<ironi> and now something
-<ironi> type /ncomp &n:
-<new_gregh> what?
-<ironi> /ncomp &n:
-<new_gregh> I did that
-<ironi> ok
-<ironi> new_gregh: This is what the nick comp is set to!
-<ironi> thats what u got?
-<new_gregh> yes
-<ironi> cause that is nick completion
-<ironi> try typing ir:
-<ironi> still there?
-<new_gregh> ironi:
-<ironi> you see?
-<ironi> =)
-<ironi> you can also try ir and press tab
-<ironi> it will complete the nick
-<new_gregh> ironi
-<ironi> kinda handy
-<ironi> for long nicks
-<new_gregh> what does the &n mean?
-<ironi> oh that was how it would complete
-<ironi> &n is the nick and :
-<new_gregh> OH I get it now... nick completion is nick followed by :
-<new_gregh> I said I'm new...
-<ironi> exactly
-<ironi> so i change my
-<ironi> new_gregh-baby:
-<ironi> heh
-<ironi> adi|work-baby:
-<ironi> /ncomp &n-baby:
-<ironi> =)
-<new_gregh> I suppose you can do /ncomp (eval fn(&n))?
-<ironi> its with an underscored : by default and a lot of ppl dont like that
-<ironi> hah
-<ironi> dunno
-<ironi> try /help ncomp
-<new_gregh> I'm going to change new_gregh back to gregh but can't since I'm running two clients right now
-<new_gregh> how do I setup for automatic login to rockbox on startup?"
-<ironi> no... close the first one and do /nick gregh
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-<gregh> hello there
-<gregh> we're rockin now
-<ironi> right click in the channel, then do autojoin-> add to autojoins
-<ironi> autojoin->add current
-<ironi> yeah
-<ironi> do this
-<gregh> done
-<ironi> /theme bitchx
-<ironi> thats a nice theme i think
-<gregh> it didn't do anything yet
-<ironi> looks like BitchX, a *nix console irc client
-<ironi> didnt you get a popup where you could press ok?
-<gregh> it asked for the load, but no art changed...
-<gregh> yes
-<ironi> oh really
-<ironi> strange
-<ironi> maybe its default then
-<gregh> it says that it loaded it
-<gregh> what's another theme
-<ironi> strange
-<ironi> try /theme
-<ironi> then look in kano\themes
-<gregh> ok, i loaded Metal
-<gregh> what is supposed to change?
-<ironi> thatone is noce to
-<ironi> colors
-<gregh> just the text colors?
-<ironi> font colors
-<ironi> yeah
-<ironi> and a few other things
-<ironi> the "console"
-<ironi> you cna actually try yourself b using /kano
-<gregh> well, it's not too exciting over here
-<ironi> like /kano 0
-* ironi is testing
-<gregh> I set a prompt
-<ironi> hm
-* ironi is testing
-<gregh> but don't see the prompt...
-<ironi> well its just when messgaes appear form the server, and so on
-<ironi> nevermind
-<gregh> that's ok, thanks
-<ironi> so anyway
-<ironi> you can do /ts
-<ironi> to get itmestamp
-<gregh> good
-<ironi> you have to do it individually for every channel
-<ironi> try pressing the little button with tools on top
-<ironi> you have a time format
-<ironi> you might want to change the time display layout
-<gregh> I see, my god what a configurable program
-<ironi> i have [%H:%M]
-<ironi> and also connecta t startup
-<ironi> might be handy
-<gregh> I set the connect at startup
-<ironi> now
-<gregh> well, before I go to bed tonight, I'll see if Linux or Bjorn are on
-<ironi> is this highlighted gregh
-<gregh> yes
-<ironi> good.
-<ironi> actually, minimize this program and look at your keyboard lamps
-<ironi> try that now
-<ironi> gregh
-<ironi> gregh
-<ironi> cool, isnt it?
-<ironi> gregh
-<ironi> =)
-<gregh> wow
-<ironi> the scroll lock is blinking , right?
-<ironi> =)
-<gregh> yes
-<ironi> i think that rocks, when im doing something else i can see someone needs me
-<gregh> how do you know if its addressed to you, or just the channel?
-<ironi> well kano is porlly the most complicated tcl script there is for irc
-<ironi> well it blinks when your name is said
-<ironi> thats the only occasion
-<gregh> oh my god
-<ironi> or when someone wites osmething to you in a private window
-<ironi> writes
-<gregh> and here I thought it was just when a message came through of any kind ...
-<ironi> no no
-<ironi> its a bit more sofisticated
-<ironi> anyway you can do most kano commands and options with / , you dnt have to use menus, which i think is handy
-<gregh> well, I better get something to eat and you better sleep...
-<ironi> if yu want to explore all the commands try typing /help
-<gregh> I will read up on this complicated thing...
-<ironi> and look onwards from there
-<gregh> I'll just leave this running, though
-<ironi> the commands that you do with / are called aliases btw
-<ironi> hehe do that
-<ironi> now waut
-<ironi> wait
-<ironi> try this /away food
-* gregh is away, food [l/on p/on]
-* ironi is gone, sleeping [l/on p/on]
-<ironi> =)
-<gregh> am I awa?
-<ironi> yep
-<gregh> away?
-* gregh has returned, [gone/1m 26s]
-<gregh> how do you get the private window?
-<ironi> you double click a user in the list
-<ironi> or if you want to do it the command line way you type /msg nickname text
-<ironi> the reply will still open up a new window
-<gregh> ok, I'm going to eat now, thanks alot for the info!
-<ironi> np
-* gregh is away, food+drinking [l/on p/on]
-<ironi> kano is huge, takes forever to learn all the nifty email-checkers and other built-in utils
-<gregh> s u later
-<ironi> but a tip is to rght click and go on help->aliases
-<ironi> ok take care
-<ironi> 
-<ironi> 
-<ironi> gregh: do u use emacs?
-<gregh> no
-<ironi> xircon supports some of it
-<ironi> ok
-<gregh> I'm a VI man
-<ironi> i think björn does
-<ironi> i have to tell him about it, i just found out
-<ironi> i haver used kano for 4 years, i keep finding new stuff
-<ironi> haha
-<gregh> isn't it about 3:30 in the morning now?
-<ironi> oh damn =)
-<ironi> i have to be up at 8
-<ironi> bye =)
-<gregh> =)
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-<PsycoXul> heh
-<gregh> yes i'm back
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-<PsycoXul> hmm
-<PsycoXul> http://www.sciplus.com/singleItem.cfm?terms=6609
-<PsycoXul> are those too long? heh
-<PsycoXul> heh well... i guess they are
-<PsycoXul> thats kinda... heh
-<dwihno> Hmm, looks fishy
-<PsycoXul> well i measured my batteries
-<PsycoXul> they're only 2"
-<PsycoXul> those are 9/16" longer
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<dwihno> Well, you can always re-design your player to make it accept the bigger batteries ;)
-<dwihno> What kind of archos do you haev?
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<PsycoXul> studio20
-<adi|home> gregh: about your logs question
-<adi|home> we have some of the irc conversation logs on the web site
-<adi|home> but no _everything_
-<adi|home> and i met an ex on irc too ;)
-<adi|home> well.. chat room.. not irc ;)
-<dwihno> Does the archos firmware ever bug (major bugs, that is) for you?
-<dwihno> adi|home: internet is not for real(tm) :)
-<adi|home> dunno... havent' used it on my recorder
-<PsycoXul> well adding a whole dir to a playlist adds through to the end of the disk or more usualy the 999 limit
-<adi|home> thats not true dwihno
-<adi|home> we talked on line for 6 months or so...
-<dwihno> adi|home: The internet has you!
-<adi|home> talked on the phone for another 4
-<PsycoXul> its a nice feature but not as nice as one that stops at the end of the dir :p
-<adi|home> then met in real life
-<dwihno> adi|home: nobody can be told what the internet is, you have to see it yourself! :)
-<PsycoXul> and the 999 limit's real annoying on a 20G drive
-<adi|home> we're 'togeather' for about a year
-<dwihno> PsycoXul: true, true
-<PsycoXul> the menus are a little random in their behaviour... they often don't return to where you expect them to
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<gregh> adi|home: which log question?
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-<adi|home> asking if there was a master list to irc
-<gregh> oh yes, I was going to see if catching up on irc logs was worthwhile
-<adi|home> i think just diving into the code and asking questions is your best shot
-<dwihno> adi|home: The internet has you!!! :O
-<adi|home> find something you want to fix/do and do it
-<adi|home> hehe damn right dwihno
-<adi|home> i mud
-<adi|home> i code
-<adi|home> i research
-<adi|home> i purchase
-<adi|home> i bank
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<adi|home> i talk with my gf
-<adi|home> i spend 'alone time'
-<adi|home> it has me ;)
-<gregh> i give $ to my gf
-<dwihno> :)
-<dwihno> MUD?!
-<adi|home> mud baby.. mud
-<dwihno> Hehe, I did that ages ago... Eww
-<gregh> I thought of a cool new feature for rockbox
-<dwihno> w
-<dwihno> w
-<dwihno> w
-<dwihno> forage
-<adi|home> hehehe yup
-<adi|home> w
-<adi|home> w
-<adi|home> e
-<adi|home> n
-<adi|home> n
-<g003y> who the heck has klez on the list?
-<dwihno> :)
-<adi|home> kill troll
-<adi|home> run west
-<adi|home> run west faster
-<adi|home> pray
-<adi|home> okya.. im off to quake a bit.. be back soon
-<dwihno> quakes0r!
-<dwihno> hm
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-<g003y> ok so now I know for sure I'm not the one with klez virus on my machine.
-<g003y> *back to your regular scheduled firmware hacking*
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-<adi|home> Bagder you check your mail recently?
-<Bagder> checking now
-<adi|home> k
-<adi|home> i want to know what you think of the guys question about his 'Archos Jukebox 6000'
-<adi|home> and my response, and then his response.
-* adi|home is feeling a bit peeved.
-<dwihno> Good morning Dr. Bagder
-<g003y> you mean the "mp3 no id3 info bug" one?
-<Bagder> his previous responses to other mails has proved him to be a bit "trigger happy" when it comes to reacting on mail content
-<adi|home> k...
-<adi|home> um.. am i out off line wanting to respond with 'fuck you'
-<adi|home> i won't..
-<g003y> trigger happy... more like instant asshole. just add internet
-<adi|home> but im just asking
-<PsycoXul> hmm
-<adi|home> I mean.. am i wrong that his email doesn't make it obvious that he is using a studio?
-<PsycoXul> honestly i dunno what mp3 playback not working on the recorder has to do with a "No mp3 id info" message on a jukebox 6k...
-* adi|home wonders if he is supposed to have the _entire_ archos line memorized
-<PsycoXul> uh?
-<g003y> ya know what... don't waste anymore cycles on him. He can't even get on this irc server
-<PsycoXul> i think the lists getting too much crap lately
-<adi|home> am i correct in thinking that there is no archos 6000 recorder?
-<PsycoXul> 10 emails just with or about ones with viruses all pretty much at once
-<adi|home> yeah.. but those were automated
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<Bagder> adi; yes, the 6GB recorder is named "Recorder 6"
-<PsycoXul> is it?
-<Bagder> I think so
-<Bagder> hm
-<Bagder> or perhaps not
-<g003y> never seen on the site myself
-<PsycoXul> well they're not called "Jukebox 6000"s i'm pretty sure
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<Bagder> no, that's for sure at least
-<adi|home> so are there 2 versions?
-<Bagder> of recorders?
-<g003y> http://www.archos.com/us/products/product_jbrecorders.html
-<PsycoXul> first there was the jukebox 6000
-<PsycoXul> the first player
-<PsycoXul> and then later they came out with the recorder
-<g003y> wow there is one.... never noticed before
-<PsycoXul> which was also initialy 6G i think
-* adi|home nods
-<PsycoXul> and the 20G versions and the 10G versions
-<PsycoXul> and best buy has had some 5G version of something too
-<Bagder> there are players: 6000/5000 Jukbox, Studio 10 and 20, Recorder 6, 10 and 20.
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-<Bagder> there's a 5GB recorder?
-<PsycoXul> i only know of the jukebox 5000 for 5GB
-<PsycoXul> i dunno
-<adi|home> might i spam the channel for a sec with my response before I send it just to him?
-* adi|home waits for a descenting vote
-<PsycoXul> die!
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<Bagder> you want my opinion? don't reply at all.
-<adi|home> but but but... he needs a spanking
-<PsycoXul> what for
-<adi|home> cause i responded to offer and answer to his question
-<adi|home> and he was a dick
-* adi|home gets all pouty
-<g003y> just email him this
-<g003y> http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/
-<g003y> classic
-<adi|home> lol
-<PsycoXul> well
-<adi|home> no no no...
-<PsycoXul> i wonder if you even read his question
-<PsycoXul> because honestly your answer had nothing to do with it in the least
-<PsycoXul> :p
-<adi|home> it does if you think about it
-<PsycoXul> he mentioned nothing about music playback for one thing
-<PsycoXul> he was talking about id3 info display
-<adi|home> think abou it...
-<adi|home> no.. he states thats the prob
-<adi|home> if you _know_ that music won't play
-<adi|home> why try and play an mp3?
-<adi|home> thats what i was pointing out
-* adi|home wonders if that made sense
-<PsycoXul> and the other thing is he said "jukebox 6000" which is all over the place on the web page and other places as being a player and the first target and having music playback working
-<adi|home> right, but how many emails do we get describing 'jukebox'
-<PsycoXul> and even if music playback doesn't work, why should that stop somebody from testing id3 info display?
-<adi|home> because he didn't state he was testing the id3 display
-<adi|home> he didn't state anything other then 'is this a bug'
-<PsycoXul> well gee i dunno
-<adi|home> and i was responding that if he was trying to _play_ music.. then no its not a bug
-<PsycoXul> asking about the display of the message "No mp3 id info" seems to imply something about id3 display
-<g003y> regardless no reason to snap like a pitbull reading usenet
-<adi|home> " but when
-<adi|home> I tried to play some other, real, mp3file"
-<g003y> "he's snapping at me. He's stripped his teeth"
-<adi|home> is he exact statemnt
-<adi|home> thats why i asked
-<PsycoXul> he said he selected a non-mp3 file by mistake, got a no id3 info message, then went to a mp3 file and still got the no id3 message
-<PsycoXul> and has to reboot to get the id3 info from an mp3 file
-<PsycoXul> it sounds like a bug to me
-<adi|home> right...
-<adi|home> but was it the rebooting.. or the display he was asking about...
-<adi|home> so thats what i was pointing out
-<PsycoXul> it sounds like he was dropping an e-mail about the bug...
-<adi|home> and franklky.. if he doesn't know enough to read that playback isn't playing on a recorder, then he doens't know enough to figure out how to leave the display
-<adi|home> but _which_ 'bug'
-<PsycoXul> heh
-<adi|home> thats my point
-<PsycoXul> the bug of id3 info not being displayed after having selected a non-mp3 file
-<PsycoXul> kindof a silly one i admit, but something that might be looked into :p
-<adi|home> but if its a recorder.. then its not a 'bug
-<Bagder> weird bug it is
-<adi|home> if your ead the website ;)
-<adi|home> read rather
-<PsycoXul> sure it is
-<PsycoXul> as i understand it the recorder shouldn't have a problem displaying id3 info
-<PsycoXul> even if you don't get music playback
-<g003y> what if you select a non-mp3 file? :D
-<PsycoXul> since he didn't even mention music playback though i don't think its worth worrying about in that respect
-<PsycoXul> and since he did say explicitly "Archos Jukebox 6000" which is also on the website as having music playback
-<PsycoXul> if you're intent on people reading the website
-<PsycoXul> :p
-<g003y> hehehehehe
-<adi|home> heheh true
-<PsycoXul> i'd have to agree with bagder and just drop it
-<g003y> I'd say that is your best route.
-<adi|home> yeah.. but pimp slapping is so much more fun. :)
-<PsycoXul> maybe but not really the purpose of the mailing list
-<PsycoXul> which, like i said before, is starting to get too much crap already as it is
-<adi|home> i know.. thats why i wasn't going to send to the list
-<adi|home> to him ;)
-<adi|home> if you read irc ;)
-<PsycoXul> ah well have fun if you want to
-<g003y> dang where is that old send a bitch slap site when you need it :D
-<PsycoXul> its your choice of course :p
-<g003y> if his is on the list long enough maybe he will get the klez virus.
-<g003y> his == he
-<g003y> I wonder who the heck keeps sending that damn thing to the list anyway.
-<Bagder> someone on the list is infected
-<adi|home> i really need to get my hands on a player
-<Bagder> there are ~166 suspects ;-)
-<adi|home> i blame it on the 'instant asshole'
-<adi|home> but hey, thats just me
-<adi|home> wow.. that many ?
-<g003y> hahahah
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-<g003y> well make it ~165 cuz it ain't me :D
-<adi|home> 64
-<Bagder> haha
-<adi|home> 164
-<g003y> I scanned for grins even
-<Bagder> wc -l /home/majordom/lists/rockbox
-<Bagder> 162 /home/majordom/lists/rockbox
-<Bagder> I've suggested we lower the maximum mail size we allow to the list
-<adi|home> i swear.. i think archos choose the AA cable so that you _had- to buy them through them.. cause i can't find them anywhere
-<Bagder> it should stop most klezes
-<adi|home> im all for it
-<g003y> I got an extra AA fairly easy
-<g003y> but that was when I first picked up the _jukebox 6000_
-<adi|home> ive looke everywhere
-<adi|home> best buy, compusa, radio shack
-<g003y> ugh... those places never have them
-<g003y> on line
-* adi|home noticed
-<g003y> I ordered
-<adi|home> ahh.. okay
-<adi|home> I just got my Atari today :)
-<adi|home> hehe 2600 baby...
-<g003y> how many carts?
-<adi|home> im at 20 or so
-<g003y> nice
-<adi|home> now i just need a converted for my tv
-<adi|home> i don't have the vhf clips on this tv :)
-<g003y> ratshack should have that
-<adi|home> know what sucks...
-<g003y> oh
-<adi|home> it was in perfect condition
-<adi|home> got a small chunk taken outta the edge in transit
-<g003y> damn....
-<adi|home> the 3 small chips were in the box when i got it..
-<adi|home> yeah :(
-<g003y> was that an ebay purchase?
-<adi|home> yup
-<adi|home> and the packing was very good
-<adi|home> that was the sucky thing
-<g003y> was it UPS or USPS?
-<adi|home> USPS
-<adi|home> priotiry insured
-<g003y> hmmm....
-<g003y> I think they actually take the package when they pay out on a clain
-<g003y> clain == claim
-<adi|home> ick
-<adi|home> im not claiming..
-<adi|home> im keeping this...
-<adi|home> only a small chip
-<g003y> if it works then don't bother
-<g003y> get a tv card, and mod that mofo onto your pc case :D
-<adi|home> lol
-<g003y> you get all the joysticks?
-<g003y> paddles
-<g003y> ?
-<adi|home> 2 sticks
-<adi|home> and 4 paddles
-<adi|home> i just need the ones with keypads
-<g003y> I thought those were Intellivision
-* adi|home nods
-<adi|home> but if i remember atari made them as well
-<adi|home> but im not positive
-<g003y> well coleco had them too
-<g003y> but only the rich kids had coleco :D
-<adi|home> hehehe
-<g003y> maybe that is a generalization, but I definitely couldn't afford one & I wasn't rich
-<adi|home> i was crushed when i talked to my nephew.. and i showed him pics of the atari screens
-<adi|home> he just went 'eww.. whats that?'
-<g003y> hahahahahahahahahaha
-<g003y> kids need that high res these days
-<adi|home> nods
-<adi|home> "what do you mean no blood?"
-<g003y> "what is that dot?" "It's a tank bullet"
-<adi|home> hehehe
-<adi|home> i told him about pong...
-<g003y> hah....
-<adi|home> and died when he said 'and you called that fun? '
-<g003y> just wait until his kids are playing games in supa-high 33330003030303x397439847984374987 sssvga organic wall tft screens
-<g003y> when games have to be written slow on purpose cuz they can't max the hardware anymore.
-<adi|home> LOL
-<adi|home> Dad! Dad! can i buy the Nuerel-NetStation 3?
-<adi|home> its only 765$!!!
-<adi|home> On Sale!
-<g003y> hahaha
-<adi|home> holy christ
-<g003y> no kidding
-<adi|home> anyone else watching the brasil costa rica game?
-<g003y> nope
-* adi|home hates mentionging scores case anyone is taping it
-<g003y> don't have cable so I've only been getting the next day tappings at work if someone brings them
-* adi|home nods
->g003y< brasil has 3 goals in 30 mins
-<adi|home> okay.. off to quake a bit
-<g003y> hmmm... quake.
-<g003y> reminds me... I need to finish gta3
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-<dwihno> and france+argentina sucks donkey-balls :)
-* Bagder writes boring code at work... -/
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-<Zagor> hey all. i'm taking down the web and mail server for hardware updates
-<Bagder> affirmative
-<Zagor> see you soon
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