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diff --git a/www/irc/rockbox-20020613.log b/www/irc/rockbox-20020613.log deleted file mode 100644 index d2adee6115..0000000000 --- a/www/irc/rockbox-20020613.log +++ /dev/null @@ -1,1988 +0,0 @@ - ---> adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.204) has joined #rockbox ---- Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ ---- Topic for #rockbox set by ChanServ at Tue Jun 11 03:31:20 ---- You are now known as adi|home ---> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox -<elinenbe> hello there -<elinenbe> here is a little something hard drive mp3 player related... -<elinenbe> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=70&e=4&cid=70&u=/cn/20020612/tc_cn/935202 ---> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox -<Bagder> moo -<adi|home> AHHHH -<adi|home> Bagder: is back!!! -* adi|home runs away screaming -* Bagder stands tall and watches adiamas run away ---> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox -<Bagder> hey Z -<Zagor> hey all -<Zagor> everyone in the office is looking at the world cup... /me can't be bothered. -* Bagder agrees -<Zagor> Bagder: could we change the changelog file to changes-<date>.txt? apparently MSIE refuses to display .log files in the browser. at least I fail. -<Bagder> hehe -<Bagder> noooo :-) -<Zagor> for some reason I can't even persuade Opera to do the right thing :( -<Bagder> m m m mozilla -<Zagor> yeah, but there's the rest of the world too :) -* Bagder takes up the fight against the world -<Bagder> ok, so exactly the same only .txt instead of .log? -<webmind> hmm -<webmind> isnt that the server ? -<webmind> that gives out a wrong mime format? -<Zagor> no, the mime type is correct. MSIE ignores mime types. -<webmind> owh.. jolly :) -<Zagor> Bagder: yes please -<Bagder> coming right up -<Bagder> there -<webmind> u could make a symlink called: msie-change-<date>.txt -<webmind> :) -<Zagor> works in MSIE now -<Bagder> i-am-a-looser-gimme-that-ie-link.txt -<Zagor> Opera still won't display it. very strange -<webmind> opera6? -<webmind> opera does weird things -<Bagder> Zagor: you should check for .log *or* .txt for now -<Zagor> ok -<Bagder> Zagor: the older ones are still .log -<Zagor> opera mostly does The Right Thing, sometimes more than you want... -<webmind> uhm yeah -<webmind> ans sometimes completely not -<Zagor> don't confuse "won -<Zagor> ah, never mind -* adi|home pokes you in the head -<adi|home> so i never got a full answer.. what type of files are accpectable playlist? -<adi|home> .m2u? -<adi|home> m3u rather -<Bagder> .m3u -<Bagder> full path names -<adi|home> anything else? -<Bagder> nope -<Bagder> lf or crlf separated -<adi|home> right.. -<adi|home> okay... -<adi|home> grrrrr... 2 world cup games on at once.. this is tough ---> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox -<Zagor> hey linus -<adi|home> and both games i wanna see :( -<Linus> moo -<adi|home> zag.. did you see the FAQ? -<adi|home> I put the stuf in from you /. email -<adi|home> wanted to know if things make sense -<Zagor> adi|home: nice. i'll take a look -<adi|home> k -<adi|home> let me know if there is anything we're missing -<Zagor> yup -<adi|home> not that i will put it in.. but go ahead and tell me ;) -<Linus> Zagor: don't you think the FAQ should have the same blue background? -<adi|home> id agree -<adi|home> if you want.. i can purty it up and put it into html -<adi|home> can keep an html and text version if you like -<Zagor> hmm, i'd like to keep it one file -<Zagor> i'll try to make a perl hack to format the txt file into a html page -<adi|home> if your going to.. can you also toss in an auto index? -<Zagor> yup -<adi|home> all questions will be formated with Q#. on the first left col. -<Zagor> good -<adi|home> so just pull that and then link them to the actual question -<Zagor> and a clear line btwn questions -<adi|home> *nods* -<adi|home> all answers are A#. as well -<adi|home> and if you are really bored.. ;) -<adi|home> you could parse for http lines and make them links ;0 -<Bagder> he should -<adi|home> oh.. and last thing -<adi|home> i could _really_ use central air here.. so when ever you want to come over and put it in -<adi|home> id be ever so greatful -<Zagor> A18 should probably not be so Gatesy. wav is uncompressed simple PCM data. you're probably thinking of WMA files? -<adi|home> nah.. i wsa just being a dick :) -<adi|home> i fix :) -<Zagor> the answer is good, for WMA -<Zagor> :) -<adi|home> okay.. fixed -<Linus> I had my Recorder running the gdb stub for almost a whole day yesterday, connected to the charger -<Linus> and when i switched back to the original firmware, the battery meter was completely screwed up... -<Zagor> ooh. for starters, or after several minutes too? -<Linus> it is always empty when i boot it up, and then shows a normal setting -<Bagder> weeirdo -<Linus> and after a while it shows empty again -<Bagder> btw, the buttons are too sensitive -<Zagor> and stays empty? -<Linus> Zagor: i don't know. I had it in my pocket most of the time -<Linus> Bagder: bounces? -<adi|home> define too sensative -<Bagder> possibly, I just noticed that when I wanted to get into a directory -<Bagder> I often ended up going down two levels at once -<Linus> i have the same experience with the player -<Linus> we need debouncing of some kind -<Bagder> yeps -<Hadaka> hmm, why do the buttons bounce - does the hardware actually do that? -<Zagor> yes -<adi|home> ahh.. that just may be our timing Bagder -<Linus> most definitely -<Zagor> it's a standard problem for all buttons -<Hadaka> not on the arcade buttons I've dealt with ;) -<Bagder> hehe -<Zagor> that's because they added debounce, just like we need to -<Hadaka> hardware debounce? -<Zagor> we have to do it in software -<Hadaka> well ok, just as long as it allows me to press a button for 1/60th of a second and still get the press in -<Zagor> hehe. 60 Hz is quite a heavy load. I'd say 30 is more reasonable -<Zagor> oh well, we'll just test and adjust -<Hadaka> yeah -<adi|home> what exactly is debounce? -<Zagor> detection and suppression of (very) short double-presses -<adi|home> ahh.. k -<Zagor> it's due to there being noise in the button connection, so it sometimes electrically flip-flops several times per intended keypress -<Linus> adi|home: we compensate for the button bouncing by reading the buttons several times -<adi|home> *nods* -<adi|home> grrrrr.. screen redraw on th recorder is still not right -<Zagor> no? what happens? -<adi|home> well.. i have a short filename -<adi|home> and i have long filenames -<adi|home> all is fine till i scroll and bring the short file as the last one on te screen -<adi|home> it seems we aren't clearing the line before we draw the new text there -<adi|home> so you have remaining garbage -<Zagor> testing... -<adi|home> im tracking it now -<Bagder> try to repeat it in the simulator -<adi|home> i am now -<adi|home> its in the simulator that im getting it -<Bagder> aha -<Zagor> ok -<adi|home> what aha? -<Bagder> nothing, I just thought you saw in on target -<Bagder> s/in/it -<Zagor> I can't repeat the problem. I have a short file in the last line, no problem -<adi|home> you need to have the short file _not_ on the screen to begin with.. hold on.. ill get a screen shot for you -<Zagor> i didn't. it was song #15 -<adi|home> ill try a recompile -<adi|home> maybe i have an old obj file -<Zagor> adi|home: Q28 should read "is this legal" not "is that legal" -<adi|home> k -<Zagor> both "that" in Q28 should be "this" -<Zagor> A29 will fail parsing, since it contains blank lines -<adi|home> nope.. still getting it.. hmmm.. ill try and update again. -<adi|home> http://orion.ramapo.edu/~rhak/misc/shot.png -<adi|home> look at that -<Zagor> A30 should probably say something like "The first release is called 1.0 because it has a basic working feature set, that works and has no known bugs. That is what 1.0 means." -<Zagor> adi|home: looking. odd that I can't repeat it. -<Zagor> ah, got it. -<Zagor> the previous file has to scroll first, then when I scroll down I get the bug -<adi|home> ahh okay -<adi|home> so im not insane ;) -<Zagor> well I wouldn't rule that out just yet... -<adi|home> hehehe -* Bagder hears noise from the lab -<Bagder> there's a tv there -<Zagor> yeah, sweden scored a goal -<Bagder> I suspected that -<Linus> Yieeehaaaaa!!!!! -<adi|home> heheheh -<adi|home> yup -<adi|home> just saw replay -<adi|home> im watching the rong damn game -<Zagor> hehe -<adi|home> i want to watch england -<adi|home> and i want to watch argentina lose -<Bagder> wooo, playlist icon -* adi|home nods happily -<adi|home> we have it, why not use it? -<adi|home> FAQ fixed -<Zagor> yay, neato -<Bagder> did anyone try to play a playlist yet? -* adi|home is all about 1-3 line code additions ;) -<adi|home> hehe nope... -<Zagor> Bagder: nope :) -<adi|home> i don't want my recorder to explode ;) -<Bagder> haha -<adi|home> if someone gets me a nice new compile ill test it... -<Bagder> hehe, the recorder will happily ignore it -<adi|home> i havent built my cross compiler yet -<adi|home> ahh.. then nope... -<adi|home> okay.. bleary eyes.. and im still on call for another 3 hrs.. im off to bed... -<Bagder> night adi -<adi|home> if you have any toher FAQ changes.. post them.. ill get them in the (my) morning -<Zagor> looks good for now. thanks! -<Bagder> I'm not satisfied with the scroll -<Zagor> ok? -<Bagder> too much blanks -<Zagor> yes, I agree. looking at that now -<Bagder> neato -<Zagor> when the last char leaves the left side, the first should come in on the right. no "empty line" -<Zagor> or do you want it even tighter? -<Bagder> exactly -<Bagder> I could do with just X spaces in between -<Bagder> where X would be 2-3 -<Bagder> I mean between the last and the first -<Zagor> i think that might sometimes be confusing, as it wouldn't be obvious where the start is -<Zagor> i'll do the simple fix first -<Bagder> I think it is an improvment as it'll make more text readable at all times -<webmind> hmmm -<webmind> should any 60gb 2.5" hd work in a jukebox studio ? -<webmind> or 40gb -<Zagor> if it's 9.5mm, yes -<webmind> nice.. -<Zagor> just check the power requirements. the toshiba 60gig draws very much power at startup -<webmind> hm k -<webmind> woulkd take forever to fill though i think -<Zagor> it's not a problem, but it might make a difference in battery life -<webmind> uhuh -<webmind> and batterylife is already decreasing -<Bagder> Greg Haerr seems to be "mr Microwindows" -<Zagor> huh? -<Zagor> oh -<Zagor> cool -<Bagder> yeps -<Bagder> heh, Greg is good ;-) -<Zagor> yeah -<Zagor> yay, the new server hardware has arrived -<Bagder> yay! -<Zagor> dual Athlon MP 1600+ -<Bagder> 1600MHz, aren't they called 1800 or something? -<Zagor> ah, yes -<Zagor> those model names are confusing :) -<Bagder> indeed -<Zagor> uh, my scroll fix didn't look so good on the player... -<Bagder> ata_read_sectors() could be renamed to ata_read_sector() I guess and always read one -<Zagor> nah we'll just fix it instead -<Bagder> so you plan to use other than 1 too then -<Zagor> umm, maybe not. only the fat32 driver uses ata and that always just reads 1. -<Bagder> that's my point, if the reading works good today, then we don't need anything else but 1 -<Zagor> agreed -<Linus> Zagor: does the ATA read sector loop need to poll the DRQ bit for each sector? -<Zagor> ummm, don't remember -<Linus> it doesn't today -<Zagor> let's just skip the loop, we never read more than one anyway -<Linus> i'm fixing the bug Greg found -<Linus> we night gain some performance by reading several sectors at once -<Linus> might -<Linus> i am a moron -<Zagor> umm, yes. but our code doesn't... -<Linus> we do wait for DRQ -<Linus> I'll just add the buf += 512 and it should work -<Bagder> += SECTOR_SIZE -<Bagder> right? -<Linus> yeah -<Zagor> duh, i suck -<Bagder> hey, Anja loved Rockbox... she could play tetris ;-) -<Zagor> hehe -<Bagder> although the not playing music part was a bit hard to explain ;-) -<Bagder> "yes, this is an mp3 player but it can't play mp3" -<Zagor> haha -<Bagder> there are three threads right now, isn't it? with the new one being the lcd scroll? -<Zagor> yes. i'm writing a response to his mail :) -<Bagder> goodie ---> adam (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox -<adam> heh -<adam> X11 session from one Linux box to the Linux craptop -<adam> == amusing -<adam> prepped for the great LUG today -<adam> :P -<Bagder> :-) -<Bagder> what LUG is this? -<adam> I got a back ache when I brought my massive box last time -<adam> heh -<adam> a local LUG in Minneapolis -<adam> pretty unofficial ;p -<adam> we don't even have a website -<adam> I think anyone who says Linux has no use on laptops is a total dimwit -<Zagor> well whay else would you use? -<adam> they generally don't require one use some damned 'touchpad' 90% of the time -<Zagor> nintendo? -<adam> I'd generally prefer a big hulking tower for Linux -<adam> but I guess two reasons I'm REALLY liking it on this laptop -<adam> the network segment Windows 9x basically screwed up totally with the crappy pegasus chipset USB adapter -<adam> linux complains, but doesn't die. -<adam> which is a huge improvement -<adam> second off, this thing is old and slow. Linux makes it very usable. Windows does not. -<adam> 4:30 AM -<adam> my sanity apparently exited when I first moved into x86 -<adam> moving from a 68000 to a 68040 then to an 800mhz PIII :P -<Bagder> amiga? -<adam> heh, nope -<adam> amusing. running this xmms from a box on the other end of the home, displaying it an xserver on this laptop, then playing the sound via an icecasted stream. -* adam needs to become less lazy about setting up NFS ---> plmirc (plmirc@152.190.62.62.9massy1-1-ro-bas-1.9tel.net) has joined #Rockbox -<adam> hi -<plmirc> Hi at all -<plmirc> just a very little question -<plmirc> hmm... -<Zagor> sure -<adam> why not a big interesting question? -<plmirc> why mean the message ata: -4 -<Bagder> it means you're using old software ;-) -<Zagor> it means the ata code bugs for recorder -<plmirc> I'm too hurry ? -<Zagor> try the latest daily build -<plmirc> it is this one I tried -<Linus> plmirc: what kind of recorder do you have? -<plmirc> archos20020612.ajz -<plmirc> I have the 10 G version -<Zagor> which recorder model do you have? -<Bagder> *plopp* -<Linus> i think we have found our man! -<Zagor> interesting! we have only tested with recorder20 so far. you can help! -<plmirc> oupsss -<Linus> plmirc: you are our hero! -<plmirc> ciao !!! -<Bagder> our man -<plmirc> really ? -<adam> heh -<plmirc> but why explain me ! -<Linus> yes! we have been looking for a guy with an older recorder -<plmirc> YEAH !!!!!!!! If I can help you the first enjoyed !! -<Linus> plmirc: are you willing to try a test version? -<plmirc> YEAH !!!!!!!! If I can help you, I'm the first enjoyed !! -<adam> ... -<plmirc> Yes I want ! -<Linus> hang on... -<plmirc> what do you want I do ? -<Linus> can I mail it to you? -<plmirc> y orginal firmware is the 1.24 -<plmirc> yes -<plmirc> My mail is -<adam> oh well. -* adam hits the hay -<adam> good night -<plmirc> p_lm@hotmail.com -<Linus> night -<-- adam has quit ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c19 for the Atari 2600 today!") -<Zagor> night adam -<plmirc> night -<Linus> ok, plmirc. Hang on. -<plmirc> I wnat to say before continue that I really love your idea to create an open firmware for the archos mp3 player/recorder -<plmirc> And i really really want to encourage you !! -<Bagder> :-) -<plmirc> The World is needed men like you !!! -<Zagor> hehe. thanks -<Linus> thanks! -<plmirc> excuse my english.... -<Zagor> where are you from? -<plmirc> I'm french -<Zagor> ok -<plmirc> and you ? -<Zagor> we (the core team) are swedish -<plmirc> Congratulation for your football demonstration !! -<Zagor> but there are english, french and american contributors too -<Zagor> hehe, yeah they seem to be happy about it :) I'm not much into football myself. -<Linus> Go Sweden Go! -<plmirc> every body is into football when it is the world cup .. isn't it ? -<Linus> plmirc: i have mailed the test code -<Zagor> well some of us prefer hacking :) -<plmirc> oki -<Linus> plmirc: but i'm not sure how it works, i accidentally included some other non-working changes... -<plmirc> I check my mail box right now -<Linus> (the MAS3587F code) -<plmirc> yeah i have it -<Linus> good luck, and be careful out there... :-) -<plmirc> there is a big bad virus in that ?? -<Linus> :-) -<plmirc> no i'm kidding -<plmirc> but why it is so small -<Linus> surprised? -<plmirc> the official has a double size -<Linus> well, we are not done yet. -<plmirc> Are you limited by the size ? -<Linus> The limit is about 250Kb I believe -<plmirc> I connect my archos mp3 recorder 10 G version -<Linus> but we don't know for sure -<Linus> *boooom* -<plmirc> I copy your file.... -* Bagder awaits -<Linus> (drum roll) -<plmirc> yes i looked for this word, thx ! ;) -<plmirc> and....... -<plmirc> and ..... -<plmirc> and .. -<Bagder> *silence* -<plmirc> ok i deconnect and turn it off now -<Zagor> the suspense is KILLING me! :-) -<Linus> even more that the football game -<Zagor> and to think people found the world cup match exciting -<plmirc> hmmmm -<Linus> than -<Linus> don't say that -<plmirc> rockbox vs cvs is on the screen this time during a longer time -<plmirc> and yes i can now view all my files -<Linus> YIPPIE!!!! -<Bagder> *kewl* -<plmirc> what are you changing ? -<Zagor> YAY -<plmirc> what did you change ? -<Linus> The address encoding of the ATA registers is different in your version -<Bagder> so we need to autodetect that somehow -<Linus> I suspected this, and you made it possible to verify -<Linus> You saved my day! -<plmirc> I can go in and out directory whith ouot any problem ! -<plmirc> Good Job ! -<Linus> Don't try to play anything... -<Bagder> plmirc: now press the menu key and play tetris ;-) -<plmirc> oki -<plmirc> it is possible ? -<Linus> yes -<plmirc> no i don't beleive it -<Linus> no, playing mp3 is not possible -<plmirc> let's try ... -<Linus> yet -<Linus> OK. now we need a way to autodetect this -<plmirc> YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OU OU OU OU OU YEAHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS WORKING I PLKAY TETRIS ON MY ARCHOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -<Zagor> plmirc: press a menu key, then you can play tetris -<plmirc> WOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU §!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -<Linus> maybe we can do the same as the master/slave detection? -* Bagder laughs -<plmirc> YES UES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -<Zagor> Linus: what is the difference? -<plmirc> ou !!! -<plmirc> whowww !! it is fast -<plmirc> yeah !!!!!!!!!!! -<plmirc> it marvellous !!! -<plmirc> I love it -<plmirc> I made 0 line but I love it ! -<Linus> Zagor: what do you mean? -<Zagor> what's the difference in ATA adressing? -<Linus> The CONTROL/ALT_STATUS is at 0x61000306 in older versions, 0x61000206 in newer -<Linus> How lame -<Zagor> and it doesn't work to adress 306 in newer versions? -<Linus> no. -<Zagor> :( -<Linus> I wonder why they have changed the address encoding in only one specific version? -<Zagor> rec20 is obviously a major update -<Linus> They must have screwed up -<Linus> I mean, why have it at 206 in Player, change it to 306 in the recorder10, only to change it back in recorder20??? -<Linus> plmirc: can you be around for more tests in the future? -<Zagor> ah, you're right -<Zagor> I wonder what the recorder6 has -<Linus> 306 i guess -<Linus> the difference is probably only the HD -<Zagor> yse -<Zagor> yes -<plmirc> linus: yes I' ll be -<Linus> good. we need you -<Linus> Zagor: do you think we should autodetect or configure? -<Zagor> i'm not sure -<Zagor> it's a fourth target... -* Bagder hrmpfs -<Linus> if it's only the ATA I think we should autodetect -<Zagor> still, if we auto-detect this why wouldn't we auto-detect the player lcd? -<plmirc> just a little question.. again.. but songs can be played on the player version and not on the recorder version.... it will take a long time before recorder can play song too ?? Are you near of this result with recorder version ? -<Linus> I wonder if there are players around with 306 addressing=? -<Linus> plmirc: it's not far away -<Zagor> I think we'd have heard about that -<plmirc> oki thx linus -<Zagor> Bagder: was that hrmpf an opinion of some sort? -<Linus> Zagor: their firmware use variables for the ATA register addresses -<Zagor> yes of course. and for lcd function pointers -<Linus> "of course"? -<Bagder> Zagor: yes, I'd prefer autodetect of the ATA -<Zagor> so should we then autodetect the lcd too? -<Bagder> not necessarily -<Zagor> ...since? -<Linus> no we can't autodetect the lcd -<Bagder> the lcd differences are so huge -<Zagor> sure we can, just like the stock firmware does -<Linus> ah, the ond/new player lcd -<Linus> old -<Bagder> ah, that -<Zagor> yes -<Linus> i thought you meant the recorder..... -<Bagder> me too ;-) -<Bagder> I could very well have an player-LCD auto detect too, yes -<Linus> that would be nice -<plmirc> There is an other function which can be interesting, but maybe it is too early to think about it right now, can I tell it to you now or I have to wait before speaking about new function ? -<Linus> shoot! -<plmirc> shoot ? -<Zagor> go ahead and tell us -<plmirc> ok -<plmirc> sometimes when I'm listening a song I want to listen an other one in a other directory just after the ont which playing -<plmirc> it is possible to select the next song which will be playing during an other song is playing ? -<plmirc> it is like a playlist but in real time -<plmirc> I don't know if you know what I mean ? -<plmirc> and if you think it is really interesting ? -<Linus> Like the queue option in the Archos firmware? -<plmirc> yes but during a song is playing -<plmirc> not pre-determinated like a winamp playlist song -<Linus> Tha Archos firmware has exactly that, so I want that for Rockbox as well -<Zagor> yeah, that will probably come sooner or later -<plmirc> it is like when your listen a mp3 whith winamp and you select the next dropping the file in the queue -<plmirc> well.. it was the idea of the day, if you need me just call me... -<plmirc> going to sleep... but my computer stay online ---- plmirc is now known as plmirczzZZ -<Linus> night -<Zagor> Linus: is the mutex atomic? -<Linus> probably not -<Linus> why? -<Zagor> i was thinking about what greg said. since we use the queue code from both threads and interrupts, shouldn't the mutex be interrupt protected? -<Linus> the queue code doesn't use the mutex -<Zagor> ah, ok then -<Linus> it disables the irq -<Zagor> good ---- Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch ---- plmirczzZZ is now known as plmirc|zzZZ ---- Linus is now known as Linus|meeting ---- Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor -<-- dwihno|gone has quit (Remote closed the connection) -<Bagder> brb -<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox ---> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox ---- plmirc|zzZZ is now known as plmirc -<plmirc> I just wake up and I made a dream.. I play Tetris on my archos with an other opposant through usb cable, it will be possible ? -<Zagor> no, usb is out of our control -<plmirc> snif :'( -<Zagor> it is only for harddisk access -<plmirc> there is the digital IN/out port !!!! -<Zagor> yes, it's a little boring -<Zagor> yes but that's only for sound data. we can't access it directly either -<plmirc> i know it is possible to have information from ear port -<Zagor> no, only to the port. not from. -<plmirc> it is the way of remote control -<Zagor> yes, but it's only one-way -<plmirc> hummm ok.... hmmm . there 's any port again... -<plmirc> :'( one-way, no way... -<plmirc> yeah !!! I found !!!!!!!! -<plmirc> why not use the line-in port for the one-way information and the ear port for the other-way information ??? -<Zagor> the ear port is the only port we can control. line is directly connected to the sound chip -<plmirc> dawn !!! -<plmirc> shit !! -<Zagor> now now, no foul languange necessary -<plmirc> sorry... :p -<Bagder> Zagor: so when's the server upgrade happening? -<Zagor> i'm thinking about doing it tomorrow morning, to minimise the impact -<Bagder> sounds wise ---> jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox -<-- plmirc has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) -<elinenbe> I was jsut reading thorough the logs.my recorder firmware is 1.17ia. I still get the ATA error with the dail builds -<Bagder> elinenbe: what recorder type? -<Zagor> elinenbe: the new ata code isn't in the daily yet. it was just a test. -<elinenbe> it ia a recorder 6GB -<Bagder> elinenbe: yes, that once will need a fix -<Bagder> that one -<elinenbe> have you figured out the problem with this version? -<Zagor> ok, so at least we know 6 and 10 are the same -<Bagder> yes -<elinenbe> send me the firmware and I will try it out. -<Bagder> Zagor: do you have any good idea on how to autodetect? -<Zagor> we could probably do something in the line of our master/slave detect. test the two addresses and see who responds correctly -<Zagor> elinenbe: are you prepared to test? -<elinenbe> I am always prepared. -<elinenbe> I am using chatzilla here though, so I have no DCC transfers. -<Zagor> no problem, i'm putting it on the web server -<elinenbe> you have to support the OSS movement. -<Zagor> the force is strong with you... :) -<elinenbe> I see the change logs have added a CR or a LF to the end. This makes windows users happy. -<Bagder> actually, the extension was changed and that's the only diff ;-) -<Zagor> it's just silly windows browsers that care about filenames instead of mime types -<elinenbe> true. It was changed from .log to .txt -<elinenbe> that is some stupid shit -<Zagor> that is msie for you... -<elinenbe> just tell me when it [the recorder firmware] is up on the web page. I will go to town with it. -<Bagder> it doesn't play any music yet though ;-) -<elinenbe> understandable... who needs to play mp3s anyway -<Zagor> tetris works, that's all you need :) -<elinenbe> true. -<Zagor> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz -<Zagor> go go go -<Zagor> noooo, won't work. stop -<Zagor> now -<Zagor> my fingers are quicker than my brain :) -<elinenbe> so, should I try it? -<Zagor> yes -<Zagor> i'll try it on my rec20 too -<Zagor> works for me. how about you? -* Bagder crosses his fingers -<elinenbe> Paraguay is now up 3-1 on Slovenia -- 3 goals in the 2nd half -<elinenbe> "ata: -4" -<elinenbe> :( -<Bagder> ough -<Zagor> hmm, ok new version. try again. -<Bagder> was that an autodetect attempt? -<Zagor> yes -<Zagor> worked for me, but I set one bit wrong -<elinenbe> on the player why dont you use the up down buttons to scroll through the directory? and the left right to go into/ out of the directory. -<elinenbe> it seems more logical -<Zagor> because it doesn't have up and down buttons. -<Zagor> people have used left/right (which are actually called -/+) for ages, they will scream bloody murder if we change that -<Zagor> look at the comparison and you'll see the player doesn't use the same cursor navigation concept as the recorder -<elinenbe> true. I forgot. I used to have a player, but I got one of the first recorders. -<Zagor> Linus|meeting: what were the addresses? you said 0x06100306 and 0x06100206 but the "old" code uses 0x06200206 -<Zagor> this last version gives me an ata: -4 too ---> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB833.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox -<edx> hi -<Bagder> hey -<elinenbe> hey there. -<edx> *fixing win32 code finally now..* -<Bagder> coolio -* elinenbe starts yelling "E-D-X" at the top of his lungs and wakes the neightbors! -<edx> lol -<elinenbe> after scrolling and playlist are added, just the playmodes need to be added and we almost have equal functionality to the original player! -<elinenbe> that is quite impressive. -<Zagor> yeah, it's gone quickly -<edx> heh has Archos ever contacted you Bjorn? -<Zagor> not about rockbox, no -<edx> hehe -<edx> whether they even know..? -<Zagor> they wanted my help developing the multimedia jukebox last summer, though... -<edx> cool -<elinenbe> are you serious? -<elinenbe> did you help? -<edx> this multimedia thing rocks. -<edx> how come they chose you? :) -<elinenbe> that multimedia thing has been delayed more than 6 months! -<Zagor> yup. but they bailed out when they saw my hourly rates :) -<edx> lol -<Zagor> they had seen my "dissecting the archos" page and the linux driver -<edx> ah -<elinenbe> well, at least they know where to look -<elinenbe> myabe they should have highered someone who request higher rates. -<Zagor> hehe -<elinenbe> there stuff is "quite" buggy -<elinenbe> I dont have a player so I have yet to test the recent functionality, but have you heard of any crashes -- (as inthe archos crashes where you have no clue what is going on) -<Zagor> no, we've had very little problems -<elinenbe> that is quite excellent. -<Bagder> I suspect that it isn't being used very heavily yet -<Zagor> yes, that's nice. we found and nailed a rather nasty bug just before release, so we've had a bit of luck too -<Bagder> when the playlists come, I think that'll improve -<Zagor> yup -<elinenbe> I was wondering if you would be able to have a "high-activity" buffering mode and a "low-activity" buffer mode? -<Zagor> are they playlists ready for random, bagder? -<Zagor> elinenbe: why? -<Bagder> Zagor: yes they are prepared, the code is all there -<elinenbe> by that I mean you can have redundant disk reads? like if you are running with the player. -<Zagor> we'll have to do lots of testing first, to see how (and even if) we can improve skipping -<elinenbe> then it could read the disk more often... and verify the data or try and reread the data, or just struggle with whatever data it is reading -<Zagor> Bagder: can we randomise the playlist while playing it? -<elinenbe> what will happen on the player if I shake the hell out of it while it is playing... for a few minutes? -<Zagor> (sorry haven't read the code very thoroughly) -<Bagder> Zagor: sure -<Zagor> elinenbe: i don't know :) -<Zagor> Bagder: so if I add a "randomize" entry to the menu, we're pretty much set? -<Bagder> Zagor: pretty much, we might want one option to toggle "shuffle" and perhaps another one for reshuffle ---> plmirc (plmirc@152.190.62.62.9massy1-1-ro-bas-1.9tel.net) has joined #Rockbox -<Zagor> Bagder: umm, how do we turn off random? ---- plmirc is now known as plmirc|zzZZ -<Bagder> uh -<Bagder> ;-) -<Bagder> we'd need to reload the playlist -<Bagder> to get the correct order back -<Zagor> well, we don't have to support "un-randomizing" right now -<edx> hmm Bagder... -<Bagder> yes? -<edx> Bagder: lcd_init..what's that -<edx> I cant use that :P -<Zagor> starting the scroll thread -<edx> ah ok -<edx> then i can.. -<edx> sorry ;) -<Zagor> hehe -<elinenbe> I think in time a "The" filter should be added in... -<edx> what are the params of create_thread.... ? -<elinenbe> where files that start with "The" the "The" is ignored... -<Bagder> create_thread(void* fp, void* sp, int stk_size) -<Bagder> function pointer, stack pointer, stack size -<edx> hmm ok -<Zagor> elinenbe: hehe -<Bagder> we need a generic "filter" to present song names shorter -<Bagder> I might have a go at someting like that soonish -<Zagor> it's an 1.2 feature anyway -<Bagder> yeah -<Bagder> but even 1.2 features need to be written ;-) -<Zagor> hehe, yup -<edx> Bagder.. what do you do with the stack pointer? -<Bagder> nothing -<edx> good -<edx> me neither lol -<Bagder> ;-) -<Bagder> pthreads usually have 2MB stack anyway -<edx> i use the stk_size variable though... -<Bagder> don't -<edx> what is init_threads supposed to do btw.. (why not?) -<Bagder> you're likely to use more stack than the target -<edx> ok -<Bagder> so the stack size will be tuned for target performance and may not be good enogh for hsot -<edx> hmmm with the linux simulator.. dont you get "mpeg_play undefined" or something like that? -<Bagder> no -<edx> ah -<edx> ok i see -<Bagder> I have a stub for it -<edx> you defined it -<edx> (ill just copy..) -<Bagder> there's a init_threads() too in the x11 sim -<edx> and then.. whats yield? -<Bagder> yield is: "now, someone else might want to run a while" -<Bagder> we have cooperative multitasking -<edx> aha -<Bagder> each thread must themselves let go -<edx> uhmm... where is it defined (and do i need a stub for it?) -<Bagder> you implement the thread layer -<Bagder> you need to provide yield -<edx> aha -<edx> i still dont get what its supposed to do -<Bagder> edx: you should make sure that only one thread at a time is running -<edx> and where is it defined for the target? -<Bagder> and when the thread calls yield(), another thread may start executing -<edx> ok.. start or continue? -<Bagder> yield() is in kernel.c -<edx> k -<Bagder> continue -<Bagder> create_thread() starts threads -<Bagder> all threads must call yield() -<edx> ok no problem then. -<edx> is there a stop_thread or somehting alike? -<Bagder> only when a thread calls yield will any other thread get to run -<Linus|meeting> No ---- Linus|meeting is now known as Linus -<Bagder> no stopping of threads, no -<edx> and why not? :) -<Bagder> we don't need it -<edx> (the scroll thread is always running..?.. yes) -<Bagder> if the need ever comes up, we'll add it -<Bagder> yes -<Linus> Watch my new cool commit -* Bagder switches to his rockboxcvs box -<Bagder> now come to papa -<Bagder> coolness -<Bagder> now, does it work? ;-) -<Zagor> Linus: bah, mine is a lot smaller -<Zagor> but it still doesn't work. -<Bagder> haha -<Linus> Mine works -<Zagor> for rec6? -<Linus> yes -<Linus> oh, sorry, i havent tried that -<Zagor> give it to elinenbe -<Linus> does he have a 0x306 box? -<Zagor> rec6, yes -<Bagder> yes -<Bagder> elinenbe: here? -<Zagor> why would the data stay on the bus when we have read lots of instructions inbetween the accesses? -<Linus> so you know that rec6 has 0x306 address encoding? -<elinenbe> I am here. -<Zagor> at gives ata: -4 anyway, which indicates it -<elinenbe> but leaving for class soon -<elinenbe> I have a rec6 -<Linus> because we don't execute code behind the ATA buffers -<Bagder> elinenbe, pick a recorder version here http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/ -<elinenbe> Badger: that version works. -<Linus> Zagor: it is not about data staying on the CPU data bus, it's about data staying on the ATA bus -<Bagder> *ding* -<Bagder> neato -<elinenbe> I can scroll through the songs! -<elinenbe> great! -<Zagor> nicers -<elinenbe> that is nice. -<Bagder> coolers boys -<Zagor> i still think we should combine the master/slave and version check :) -<Zagor> linus version is bloooooated ;) -<Bagder> haha -<Linus> What is bloated about it? -<Bagder> he still has 1 - 0 for making it work ;-) -<Zagor> just kidding, i did it like this: -<Zagor> /* check for master/slave on both control addresses */ -<Zagor> for ( control_addr = (void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR1; -<Zagor> control_addr !=(void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR2; -<Zagor> control_addr = (void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR2 ) { -<Zagor> that brings down the change to about 10 lines -<elinenbe> nice. can you get the scrolling faster? :) -<Zagor> elinenbe: go into the menu and set the speed yourself -<elinenbe> well, laters. congradualtion on the fine effort. -<edx> what does create_thread return on failure / success? -<Bagder> I want page down/up in three browser -<elinenbe> very nicely done. -<Bagder> tree -<Zagor> Bagder: yes, but that requires multiple keys which we don't support yet -<elinenbe> how about how soon it scrolls? -- like as soon as you put the curson on the filename. -<Linus> gotta go. bye! -<Bagder> ah -<Bagder> see ya Linus -<Zagor> elinenbe: that can't be changed yet -<-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox -<elinenbe> I think a highly configuralbe firmware with some good default options will be awesome. -<Zagor> yep. it's called Rockbox :) -<elinenbe> much like the iriver/riovolt 250 firmwares... -<elinenbe> well, you know what I mean... options for everything. -<Zagor> i know -<edx> When one thread is started (begin_thread).. then all other threads are suspended, right? -<elinenbe> the first level of tetris is too fast :) -<elinenbe> hehe... -<elinenbe> later. -<Zagor> edx: yes -<Zagor> that's how it should be -<edx> ok -<edx> Zagor: what does beginthread return on success / failure? -<Bagder> it doesn't fail -<Zagor> beginthread? that's not in the api is it? -<Bagder> no -<edx> mine can fail. -<Bagder> then it can exit ;-) -<Zagor> Xlib: sequence lost (0x10000 > 0xc5) in reply type 0x0! -<Zagor> i still get a lot of X errors, bagder -<Zagor> X error in rockboxui: -<Zagor> X Error of failed request: 0 -<Zagor> Major opcode of failed request: 0 () -<Zagor> Serial number of failed request: 0 -<Zagor> Current serial number in output stream: 197 -<Bagder> weird I didn't get them at all yesterday -<Zagor> try running it remotely, that might trigger it -<Zagor> or else it's my starwin32 that's fooling around -<Bagder> I can't right now, my X redirect is messed up -<Zagor> ok -<Zagor> also I get an X beep for every keypress I do. very odd. -<Bagder> righ, I get that too at home -<Bagder> no idea why -<edx> jipie! reduced errors to one... -<Bagder> way to go -<edx> not with this one -<edx> *done* -<Bagder> cool, you are fast -<Bagder> will you remove the intptr_t from dir.h too? -<Zagor> and the .rc file -<edx> ... the rc file.. that was your mistake i think.. it had always been in the cvs... -<Bagder> but it doesn't compile -<Bagder> see Gary's mail -<edx> *great* why not? -<edx> i will... -<edx> in a sec -<Bagder> Greg's mail of course -* Bagder writes "Gary is not Greg" a 100 times -<edx> hehe -* edx didnt even notice you switched names ;) -<Bagder> hehe -* edx writes it 50 times -<edx> is scrolling used on the player? -<Zagor> yes -<edx> when? -<Zagor> i'm working on a better scroll, though -<edx> ... i would like to see scrolling... it doesnt scroll :) -<Bagder> it should scroll -<Zagor> short names don't scroll. find a long filename -<edx> folder name.. ? -<Zagor> file or folder -<edx> (long folder name wont scroll.. :() -<Zagor> then it's a bug -<Zagor> actually i found a bug with that. names only 1 char too long don't scroll. -<Zagor> the length calculation was wrong -<edx> uhm its much longer.. rather a uisw bug ;) -<Zagor> oh, doh, i forgot what you were working on :) -<edx> ok that sucks... the thread suspends itself :/ -<Bagder> hehe -<edx> not funny :P -<jedix> whats new? -<Zagor> we got the ata code working on all recorders now -<edx> it wont scroll! -<edx> scroll_count stays 0.. also for folders :/ -<Bagder> it scrolls on target -<Bagder> and in the X11 simulator -<edx> apps.. main.c needs to include thread.h for init_threads -<edx> main.c .. init must return a value -<Bagder> it must? -<edx> dont know.. vc says it must -<Bagder> right -<Bagder> should be a void -<edx> noo... -<edx> whats this -<edx> ah ok -<edx> recorder scrolls, too? -<Bagder> yes -<edx> (no, not on the simulator :/) -<Bagder> is too ;-) -<edx> bah -<edx> lol -<edx> how do i pop up the menu again :/ -<Bagder> Zagor: you added any randomize menu? -<Zagor> not yet, working on Scroller++ :) -<Bagder> edx: the - -<edx> (wont work) -<edx> what's all this lol -<Bagder> I'll go home, see ya later -<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox -<edx> why wont the menu show up??! -<Zagor> you must press F1 now, not F2 or F3 -<edx> ok -<Zagor> that is: you must press /, not * or - -<edx> ahhh -<edx> thanks -<edx> ok scrolling works in the menu! -<edx> not whilke browsing though -<Zagor> weird -<Zagor> add a debugf() in scroll_thread to see that it's running properly -<edx> pah who wokrs with debugf.. breakpoint there ... it works ;) -<Zagor> haha -<edx> scroll_count -<edx> that is 0... -<edx> hmm -<edx> lcd_puts_scroll sets it to 1... -<edx> now that's weird. -<edx> uhm -<edx> its 0 again... for some reason.. uhm.. well ill debug a little -<edx> why is lcd_stop_scroll called directly before putsscroll? -<edx> that's not wonder at all ... stop_scroll sets it to 0 again! -<Zagor> because stop_scroll restores the line. the next putsscroll starts scrolling on another line -<edx> hmmhm -<edx> but its called over and over again -<edx> (tree.c ln 366) -<Zagor> you have an old tree.c 366 is the last return -<edx> oh lol -<edx> ... -<edx> but there, too, lcd_stop_scroll is called over and over again -<-- plmirc|zzZZ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) -<Zagor> where? -<Zagor> it's called once per screen update -<edx> ln 366... whats that -<edx> hum? -<Zagor> 366 is "return false;" -<edx> i just updated.. (i even deleted the whole folder and checked out again) -<edx> strange. -<Zagor> uh, lemme check -<Zagor> it's my version that's different. let me check it in. -<Zagor> now -<Zagor> also grab the new lcd.c -<edx> k -<edx> uhm.. its always set to 0 again :/ -<Zagor> strange. well it works in target and x11 simulator... -<edx> hah! setting scroll speed to 1.. then it works LOL -<edx> scroll_speed/2 .. that does not work according to c... for scroll_speed = 1 (1/2 = 0) -<Zagor> yes, don't use scroll_speed=1 -<edx> thats the only number it works for lol -<Zagor> eh? make it better :) -<edx> it's set to 0 (by scroll_stop) before the scroll function is called - how can this work whereever else..? -<Zagor> no, scroll_count is set to 0. not speed. -<edx> ok -<edx> whatever. -<edx> still... why? -<Zagor> well there's a difference :) -<Zagor> because by setting it to 0 the scroll stops -<edx> great. -<edx> then it stopsstopsstops ... -<edx> line 366 is called more than 10 times a sec... -<edx> is that correct? -<Zagor> 366 is "return false;" -<edx> *crying...* -<edx> lcd_stop_scroll(); -<edx> that's what it is -<Zagor> no, i don't get that called other than when the screen is scrolled or the cursor is moved -<Zagor> where is it called from? -<edx> ok.. now it is return false; (done another update) -<Zagor> returns? -<edx> still.. it wont scroll... -<Zagor> it's void. what are you doing? -<edx> now its line 359 i am talking about -<edx> tree.c ln 359 -<edx> is always called :( -<Zagor> check your button_get. if the argument is true, it's not supposed to return until you press a key. -<Zagor> that's probably it -<edx> ahhhhhhh -<edx> thats OF COURSE it ;) -<Zagor> ok, good! -<edx> who did put that argument in there? -<Zagor> i did -<edx> i am sorry for bothering you all the time.. :) -<Zagor> that was last week, i think. looong ago :) -<Zagor> no problem :) -<edx> now thats your own fault! -<edx> hehe -<Zagor> i have to rush. see you tomorrow! -<-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") -<edx> YEAY! -* edx got scroll to work! ---> dwihno|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) has joined #rockbox ---- edx is now known as edx|away ---> Bagder2 (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox -<edx|away> Bagder2: are you the "real" Bagder? lol -<Bagder2> noooo, I'm 100% fake ;-) -<edx|away> was that ironi? lol if not then who are you :) -<Bagder2> you should recognize that I use the same host pattern as always -<Bagder2> should be an indication -<Bagder2> so yes, its me -<edx|away> in windows i can only see that if i really want to (and I had a look at it and rcognized name etc were correct.. but you can never be sure ;)) -<edx|away> got scrolling to work on the simulator -<Bagder2> cool -<Bagder2> I noticed your commits -<edx|away> was just teh button_get function which did not work for 1st argument = true -<edx|away> hm.. gotta eat something... be right back ---- edx|away is now known as edx|eats -<Bagder2> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/daily.shtml -<adi|work> edx i wanted to say.. good work on the windows side mate... -<edx|eats> adi.. thanks :) ---- edx|eats is now known as edx -<adi|work> as for you Bagder2... well... atleast your swedish ;) -<adi|work> has anyone else been really helping you? -<Bagder2> edx, you should check the compile status page after you commit stuff... it broke again -<Bagder2> fixed now -<edx> ouh.. what was it? -<Bagder2> different init protos in apps/main.c -<edx> himhum.. think i fixed that (?) -<Bagder2> yes, you fixed it for the simulator -<Bagder2> and broke all non-sims ;-) -<Bagder2> 6 red boxes -<edx> ok... very sorry for that.. didnt know there was one for each (sim/target) -<Bagder2> no worries -<edx> next time i'll have a look at it -<Bagder2> I just meant that as an advice -<edx> .. and it's a good one ;) -<edx> didnt know it would update that fast.. that's really cool what you did there :D -<Bagder2> it updates every 20 minutes if there are changes done -* Bagder2 bows -* edx applauds -* Bagder2 likes Björns scroll-fix -<adi|work> that scroll does look good -<adi|work> okay, who broke the sim? -<adi|work> i can't get into the menu anymore -<adi|work> for the recorder -<-- Bagder2 has quit (card.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) ---> jester (~snortboy@216.33.101.146) has joined #rockbox -<-- jester has quit (Client Quit) ---> Bagder2 (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox ---> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox -<-- webmind has quit (Remote closed the connection) ---> webmind (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) has joined #rockbox -<-- Bagder2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) -<jedix> adi| whats your problem with the scroll? -<adi|work> noting.. i like the scroll -<adi|work> but the sim for some reason, doesnt' bring up the menu anymore... -<adi|work> for the recorder -<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox ---> Coug (sometime@1Cust221.tnt1.coeur-dalene.id.da.uu.net) has joined #rockbox -<Coug> does anyone know how to install an archos driver when it says "you do not have sufficient security priveleges to install this hardware" in windows 2000 -<Coug> yes.... I did get permission -<edx> press / -<edx> ... adi -<edx> for the menu -<-- jedix has quit ("Mozilla party!") ---> g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has joined #rockbox -<g003y> woo... busy today :D -<-- g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has left #rockbox -<-- edx has quit ("good night") ---> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox ---> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox -<Bagder> hey -<Linus> cuckoo! -<Bagder> the builds went red again, but I got to turn them green ;-) -<adi|work> aren't the sim for the recorders supposed to go into menu when you hit '*'? -<Linus> red builds. oh my god! -<adi|work> cause it seems it does it on '/' now. -<Bagder> I think Björn moved that, on purpose or not -<Linus> So did Zagor finally accept my ATA patch...? :-) -<Linus> the bloated one -<Bagder> hah -<Bagder> he who writes the working code wins -<Linus> :-) -<Linus> BTW, did we give jedix credit for his work on the scroller? -<Bagder> I don't think we did -<adi|work> where do we need to give him credit? -<adi|work> on the credits list? -<Bagder> we should get Greg on IRC -<adi|work> Greg? -<Bagder> Haerr -* adi|work doesn't recognize the name -<Bagder> from the mailing list -<adi|work> ahh..okay.. -<Bagder> he posted like 7 times the last 24 hours -<adi|work> that guy.. eheh okay -<adi|work> :) -<adi|work> just sent him an invite -<Bagder> night -<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox -<-- wettoad has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) ---> wettoad (~wettoad@uludag.mbi-berlin.de) has joined #rockbox -<Linus> night -<-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox -<-- Coug has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) -<-- datazone has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) ---> datazone ([Vx3r6U9xN@207.136.36.203) has joined #rockbox ---- wettoad is now known as WetBed -<-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) ---> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox -<ironi> hey -<ironi> björn you have klez =) -<ironi> how did you get it in linux -<ironi> hehe -<ironi> oh -<ironi> anyone awake? -<ironi> wow -<ironi> the firmware is getting really good -<ironi> but the moving around is still wrong ---> gregh (~greg@adsl-63-206-140-154.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox -<gregh> hello -<gregh> is this the rockbox developer irc channel? -<ironi> yepp -<ironi> that's it? -<ironi> all you had to ask? -<ironi> =) -<gregh> would you believe I've been hacking code for 20 years -<gregh> and never used irc? -<gregh> a few folks suggested I get on this channel -<gregh> I was thinking of jumping in and hacking the windows -<gregh> simulator version a bit... I'm stuck using windows -<gregh> for now and its hard to dual boot... -<ironi> heh =) -<ironi> i see -<ironi> well welcome to irc -<ironi> you have missed out on something for the last...well not 20 but maybe 10 years -<adi|work> hey gregh... glad you came over :) -<adi|work> you just missed Bagder and Linus -<gregh> who is adi|work? Is that edx? -<adi|work> they went to sleep a bit ago.. -<adi|work> adi|work: adiamas -<gregh> oh shoot. -<adi|work> adi|home: adiamas -<adi|work> :) -<adi|work> they are in sweden... -<ironi> hm -<ironi> and i am just a wannabe that has been around since day 1 of development -<gregh> I'm thinking it would be fun to hack some code for the player -<ironi> the only i have contributed with is the name "rockbox" and a bit of the website design -<gregh> but I'm lazy and don't have time to cross compile so I've -<gregh> got to get the windows simulator working great first... -<gregh> ironi - well you did a good job on the name! -<ironi> gregh: I'm kind of prud actually -<ironi> hehe -<ironi> I would hack code if I knew more -<ironi> But I'll give it some more time -<gregh> does everyone here use the x11 version, or instead -<gregh> the actual target version? -<ironi> heh gregh you dont need to press enter like that -<ironi> =) -<PsycoXul> haha -<gregh> oh, were your screens scrolling? I double clicked on a few -<gregh> peoples names... I don't quite know what I'm doing on IRC!! -<PsycoXul> just type what you wanna say -<PsycoXul> nothing special -<PsycoXul> heh -<gregh> it was interesting to see where everybody's IP address was -<gregh> ok, I think I've got it back under control now... -<gregh> so - what feature should I hack on first? -<PsycoXul> you can put more on 1 line, rather than hitting enter between pieces ... -<ironi> gregh: what client do you use? -<gregh> I just pulled down mIRC. What do you recommend? I am hitting enter a bit frequently, I see -<ironi> gregh: well mirc is good for beginners -<ironi> stick to that for a while -<ironi> i personally use xircon, another windows client -<gregh> hehe -* PsycoXul recomends *NIX clients :p -<ironi> which i find better , but i guess that is just what im used to -<ironi> PsycoXul: u think? for a newbie? -<PsycoXul> well if he's on windows he can't very well use them so i guess he's better off sticking with mirc -<ironi> gregh: well a few hints: you doint need to type the entire nick of someone you address, jsut type first letter then tab -<PsycoXul> :p -<ironi> or a few letters then : -<gregh> mIRC requires payment after 30 days I think -<PsycoXul> heh -<PsycoXul> sure it does -<PsycoXul> :p -<gregh> I have to use windows for my damn email for the time being -<ironi> /j to join /msg to private message /dns to see ip of a user, /notice to notice a user, /server to change server -<ironi> the basic irc commands -<ironi> =) -<ironi> i cant beilieve there are actually ppl on this planet that have never used irc...today...2003 =) -<ironi> no offence, gregh -<PsycoXul> heh -<PsycoXul> ironi: you get out much? -<gregh> well, I spend too much time in the VI editor. -<PsycoXul> lots of people haven't used irc :p -<ironi> PsycoXul: wel i mean like programmers, computer-freaks etc -<ironi> =) -<gregh> I readily admitted my IRC failings so that you wouldn't think I'm completely out of it... -<ironi> PsycoXul: yah i get out much but irc is a part of my life -<PsycoXul> yeah -<gregh> what happens if you're gone for a while and someone sends a message, etc? -<PsycoXul> irc's funny like that -<ironi> It sounds kinda geeky to say u have friends on irc, that you consider your friends. -<PsycoXul> well if you're not connected then you're not on the network to get it -<PsycoXul> it'll tell them you're not there -<ironi> gregh: you can set your self away like /away reason bla bla -<PsycoXul> if you are connected it'll scroll in your client, and depending on settings your client may log it for you -<gregh> I can see that IRC is much more interactive than email, and you can get a better feel for the type of person you -<gregh> re communicating with... -<ironi> gregh: of course -<PsycoXul> or it'll just be like in the scrollback -<ironi> hell, I met my girlfriend on irc -<ironi> hahaha -<PsycoXul> heh -<gregh> are the communications in IRC logged ? -<ironi> gregh: you can log it, yes -<gregh> (I wonder if I'll meet my future ex-girlfriend on IRC?) -<gregh> I mean is there a master log for review? -<ironi> gregh: optimistic, aye? -<PsycoXul> servers don't log -<ironi> gregh: I don't think so -<PsycoXul> generaly -<ironi> Never heard of it anyway -<PsycoXul> other people connected and in the channel can log the chan though -<ironi> gregh: well you wont find any girls (hardly) on this network =)( -<PsycoXul> ironi: where will you find them? -<gregh> ironi: yeah, I bet not ;-( -<PsycoXul> heh -<gregh> I meet girls with my rockbox, though =) -<PsycoXul> heh -<ironi> PsycoXul: i just meant there are other networks with channels that are more for "ordinary" ppl -<ironi> chat channels -<ironi> gregh: hehehe -<PsycoXul> ah -<PsycoXul> yeah but ordinary people suck :/ -<ironi> well -<ironi> gregh: another good irc network (i think) is efnet, weher eoyu can find a lot of good channels -<PsycoXul> yeah efnet's huge -<PsycoXul> lots of people, lots of chans -<PsycoXul> i dunno that i'd call it a good network though -<PsycoXul> :p -<ironi> PsycoXul: well its a good balance between good topics and off-topic talk -<ironi> if you know what i mean -<PsycoXul> well that all depends on the chan -<ironi> comparing to nets like dalnet =) -<ironi> PsycoXul: of course -<-- gregh has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) -<ironi> well dalnet has some good linux channels -<ironi> oops -<ironi> there he went ---> gregh (~greg@adsl-63-203-102-47.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox -<-- gregh has quit (Client Quit) -<PsycoXul> whoa -<ironi> PsycoXul: where are you located? -<PsycoXul> he's in the same area as i am -<ironi> whats that, los angeles? -<ironi> lsan? ---> gregh (~greg@adsl-63-203-102-47.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox -<PsycoXul> san bernardino county i guess -<gregh> am I back, good god I just got cut off -<ironi> oh really -<PsycoXul> i'm in colton myself -<ironi> gregh you nad PsycoXul seem to be neighbours -<gregh> I am in newport beach right now -<ironi> PsycoXul: is that california? =) -<gregh> yepp -* ironi has no clue -<PsycoXul> yeah -<ironi> gregh you can use /me to talk about yourself in third person -<gregh> do you know why I was just disconnected with no warning? -<ironi> so are you close? -<PsycoXul> connection reset by peer -<PsycoXul> well i guess not so close if he's on a beach -<PsycoXul> i'm rather inland -<ironi> newport beach and colton -<gregh> where is PsycoXul? I missed the last 3 minutes -<ironi> ok -<gregh> where the heck is colton? -<PsycoXul> near rialto -<PsycoXul> heh -<gregh> ok, where is rialto... -<ironi> hahaha -<PsycoXul> heh -<gregh> I'm from salt lake city, actually -<PsycoXul> san bernardino county -<gregh> but hangin here in newport -<ironi> well im in sweden -<gregh> what time is it, ironi -<PsycoXul> pretty close to riverside i think -<ironi> i was in saint louis, MO for 5 months last year though -<gregh> oh, then you are near chino? -<ironi> 2:48 am -<PsycoXul> i'm not sure where chino is -<ironi> you guys haha -<PsycoXul> heh -<ironi> sometimes i forget how damn big usa is -<gregh> he he, CA's too big a place -<ironi> =) -<ironi> it sure is -<PsycoXul> heh -<PsycoXul> yeah california could be 2 states -<PsycoXul> and still be pretty big ones -<PsycoXul> :p -<gregh> probably will be someday -<PsycoXul> yeah -<ironi> but you both have *,dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net -<PsycoXul> yeah -<PsycoXul> pacbell's funky -<ironi> sounds to me like you should be close :-P -<PsycoXul> i'd think so too -<ironi> i has swbell when i was in stl -<ironi> had -<gregh> ironi: i typed '/dns ironi' and nothing happened... -<ironi> nothing? -<ironi> strange -<ironi> try /whois ironi -<PsycoXul> since i've seen .dsl.XXXX.pacbell.net different one's for LA and san diego i figured lsan was san bernardino.. -<ironi> not same thing -<gregh> where's it supposed to put the info, on the line above? -<ironi> on the line you type -<ironi> oh oh -<ironi> default mirc -<ironi> in the status window -<ironi> is where it gets put -<ironi> damn default mirc is not all that funny -<gregh> oh, yes, there it is, hidden behind my window -<PsycoXul> and btw for unix/linux irc client i recomend irssi -<ironi> I would recommend xircon if you want winsdows gui client -<ironi> irssi rocks -<ironi> but i like windows -<ironi> to put 4 channels in a tile -<ironi> so i can see all at once on my 19" -<PsycoXul> heh -<ironi> thats heaven for me :-P -<ironi> actually 6 right now -<gregh> ah yes, that sounds like a good idea for a long time IRC person -<PsycoXul> you can have windows in irssi arranged how you like them -<ironi> PsycoXul: nut in 2x2 -<PsycoXul> really? -<ironi> just above each other -<PsycoXul> i use fullsize windows -<ironi> as far as i know -<ironi> you talking console irssi? -<PsycoXul> 15 of them right now -<gregh> any idea why I was disconnected without notice? -<PsycoXul> though only 14 in use :p -<ironi> ok wlel then you have to press buttons to change chans -<PsycoXul> alt and a number -<PsycoXul> big deal :p -<PsycoXul> like my hands aren't already pressing buttons to be and chat on irc :p -<ironi> gregh: connection reset by peer -<PsycoXul> its more convenient than having to move a hand over to the mouse -<gregh> you're talking a human or machine? You mean TCPIP reset by peer -<PsycoXul> and i don't have the precious screen real estate to have them all visible at once -<PsycoXul> ...especialy having 14 windows -<PsycoXul> being on 4 different networks -<gregh> control-shift-f6 will change between mdi windows in windows -<ironi> gregh: if it happens sometimes, its just like that, it happens -<PsycoXul> 10+ different channels -<ironi> im on 2 networks -<ironi> gregh: i would really recoomend xircon to you -<ironi> its really nice -<PsycoXul> yeah -<ironi> for windows -<gregh> I'll pull it down -<ironi> you do need kano too -<PsycoXul> xircon's the least-shitty windows irc client i've found -<ironi> xircon raw is crap -<PsycoXul> :p -<ironi> PsycoXul: with kano its really extensive -<ironi> the nick completion is unbeatable -<PsycoXul> yeah i've seen kano -<PsycoXul> i like irssi's nick completion -<gregh> is kano an addon -<PsycoXul> yeah its a script -<ironi> http://www.xircon.com/pub/xircon/XiRC10B4.EXE -<ironi> install that first -<PsycoXul> i'm not a big fan of tcl personally -<ironi> dont bother to run it befor eyou install.... -<ironi> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/kanotcl/k15beta8.exe -<ironi> that -<PsycoXul> i'm not really fond of perl either, but i respect it and its a lot better than tcl :p -<PsycoXul> heh -<ironi> when running the kano installer make sure you select the "first time install" -<ironi> irssi is tcl or? -<PsycoXul> irssi uses perl for its scripting -<PsycoXul> xircon uses tcl -<ironi> http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/kanotcl/k15beta8.exe -<ironi> try that link for kano -<ironi> the first one maybe didnt work -<PsycoXul> heh -<gregh> www.xircon.com/pub/xircon/XiRC10B4.EXE -<gregh> I had to repeat that since I finally got logging turned on -<PsycoXul> heh -<PsycoXul> ok -<ironi> you can click that link to open broswer -<ironi> at least in xircon -<gregh> and I never know when I'll get a disconnected -<ironi> gregh: heh that doesnt happen so often, and with xircon + kano the windows wont empty when you reconnect -<gregh> oh.. -<gregh> ok, got em both downloaded -<ironi> even if oyu get kicked and rejoin -<ironi> so install xircon first -<ironi> then after that install kano and make sure you select the update settings box -<gregh> shall I install it right now while I'm talkin with you guys? -<ironi> makes some things easier -<ironi> sure why not -<PsycoXul> heh -<gregh> here goes -<gregh> heh -<PsycoXul> imma go watch the conformavision -<PsycoXul> bbl :p -<gregh> xIRC installed -<ironi> k -<gregh> except no desktop icon, hm -<ironi> its in the start menu -<ironi> =) -<ironi> well dont run it -<ironi> install kano first -<gregh> installing kano now... -<ironi> k -<ironi> now xirocn is a bit different but a lot easier to understand i think -<ironi> especiallt he cinenct dialog -<gregh> did you say I should check the "update settings" box? -<ironi> yep -<ironi> definitely -<ironi> did you? -<gregh> and all the other boxes? -<ironi> yah i think so -<ironi> dont rememberthe others -<ironi> =) -<gregh> ok kano installed -<gregh> now what -<ironi> so now start xircon -<gregh> should i log in and keep connected here also? -<gregh> can you run two clients? -<ironi> yeah if its possible -<ironi> well yes -<gregh> ok, here goes...! -<ironi> but sometimes a server doenst accept two conenctions -<ironi> from same if -<ironi> but if you conenct to irc.openprojects.org you wont always end up on the same -<ironi> it redirects -<gregh> i'm running it now, does it always take a bit after logging into the server to ask for the channel connection? -<ironi> oh you mean the pop-up window? -<gregh> yes, it's got a black (single) window -<ironi> ok -<ironi> you can use /j rockbox -<ironi> /j is short for join -<ironi> not working? ---> new_gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-203-102-47.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox -<ironi> hehe -<ironi> there u go -<new_gregh> hehe -<ironi> ok so there are a few things you should configure -<ironi> if you right click in the channel -<ironi> configure/options/kanos options -<new_gregh> right click in the black window? -<ironi> uncheck any box checked on the lower half on the middle section -<ironi> yeah in the channel window you are talking in -<new_gregh> there aren't checkboxes, just hierarchical menus... -<ironi> well in the menu ther eis configure -> options -> kanos options -<ironi> there i would recommend to unchek all boxes in the lower half on th emiddle section, like reprt fatal erros and so on -<gregh> ok, I've got that up now -<ironi> also set "autoaway" to "off", and "on nick highlight" to "echo in focused" -<ironi> the hit ok -<gregh> good god what a bunch of options...!! -<ironi> then -<ironi> yeah there is A LOT more -<ironi> if you want -<ironi> but you dont need to -<gregh> ok, did all that -<ironi> done? -<ironi> ok -<new_gregh> yep, here I am -<ironi> configure -> options -> modules options -<ironi> check automatically log all channels to dir -<gregh> geez a zillion more options -<ironi> its a grwat fnction that sorts logs , channels in one dir and querys (private conversations) in one -<new_gregh> done -<ironi> configure -> options -> addons options -<gregh> ok -<ironi> remove the bottow five checkboxes -<ironi> they are annoying -<ironi> well actually -<new_gregh> done -<ironi> if u want spellfix, keep it -<ironi> i cant use it since i talk in swedish in some channels -<new_gregh> no spell fix for now, I never make a mistrake ;-) -<ironi> ok and now -<ironi> mistrake -<ironi> and now something -<ironi> type /ncomp &n: -<new_gregh> what? -<ironi> /ncomp &n: -<new_gregh> I did that -<ironi> ok -<ironi> new_gregh: This is what the nick comp is set to! -<ironi> thats what u got? -<new_gregh> yes -<ironi> cause that is nick completion -<ironi> try typing ir: -<ironi> still there? -<new_gregh> ironi: -<ironi> you see? -<ironi> =) -<ironi> you can also try ir and press tab -<ironi> it will complete the nick -<new_gregh> ironi -<ironi> kinda handy -<ironi> for long nicks -<new_gregh> what does the &n mean? -<ironi> oh that was how it would complete -<ironi> &n is the nick and : -<new_gregh> OH I get it now... nick completion is nick followed by : -<new_gregh> I said I'm new... -<ironi> exactly -<ironi> so i change my -<ironi> new_gregh-baby: -<ironi> heh -<ironi> adi|work-baby: -<ironi> /ncomp &n-baby: -<ironi> =) -<new_gregh> I suppose you can do /ncomp (eval fn(&n))? -<ironi> its with an underscored : by default and a lot of ppl dont like that -<ironi> hah -<ironi> dunno -<ironi> try /help ncomp -<new_gregh> I'm going to change new_gregh back to gregh but can't since I'm running two clients right now -<new_gregh> how do I setup for automatic login to rockbox on startup?" -<ironi> no... close the first one and do /nick gregh -<-- gregh has quit () ---- new_gregh is now known as gregh -<gregh> hello there -<gregh> we're rockin now -<ironi> right click in the channel, then do autojoin-> add to autojoins -<ironi> autojoin->add current -<ironi> yeah -<ironi> do this -<gregh> done -<ironi> /theme bitchx -<ironi> thats a nice theme i think -<gregh> it didn't do anything yet -<ironi> looks like BitchX, a *nix console irc client -<ironi> didnt you get a popup where you could press ok? -<gregh> it asked for the load, but no art changed... -<gregh> yes -<ironi> oh really -<ironi> strange -<ironi> maybe its default then -<gregh> it says that it loaded it -<gregh> what's another theme -<ironi> strange -<ironi> try /theme -<ironi> then look in kano\themes -<gregh> ok, i loaded Metal -<gregh> what is supposed to change? -<ironi> thatone is noce to -<ironi> colors -<gregh> just the text colors? -<ironi> font colors -<ironi> yeah -<ironi> and a few other things -<ironi> the "console" -<ironi> you cna actually try yourself b using /kano -<gregh> well, it's not too exciting over here -<ironi> like /kano 0 -* ironi is testing -<gregh> I set a prompt -<ironi> hm -* ironi is testing -<gregh> but don't see the prompt... -<ironi> well its just when messgaes appear form the server, and so on -<ironi> nevermind -<gregh> that's ok, thanks -<ironi> so anyway -<ironi> you can do /ts -<ironi> to get itmestamp -<gregh> good -<ironi> you have to do it individually for every channel -<ironi> try pressing the little button with tools on top -<ironi> you have a time format -<ironi> you might want to change the time display layout -<gregh> I see, my god what a configurable program -<ironi> i have [%H:%M] -<ironi> and also connecta t startup -<ironi> might be handy -<gregh> I set the connect at startup -<ironi> now -<gregh> well, before I go to bed tonight, I'll see if Linux or Bjorn are on -<ironi> is this highlighted gregh -<gregh> yes -<ironi> good. -<ironi> actually, minimize this program and look at your keyboard lamps -<ironi> try that now -<ironi> gregh -<ironi> gregh -<ironi> cool, isnt it? -<ironi> gregh -<ironi> =) -<gregh> wow -<ironi> the scroll lock is blinking , right? -<ironi> =) -<gregh> yes -<ironi> i think that rocks, when im doing something else i can see someone needs me -<gregh> how do you know if its addressed to you, or just the channel? -<ironi> well kano is porlly the most complicated tcl script there is for irc -<ironi> well it blinks when your name is said -<ironi> thats the only occasion -<gregh> oh my god -<ironi> or when someone wites osmething to you in a private window -<ironi> writes -<gregh> and here I thought it was just when a message came through of any kind ... -<ironi> no no -<ironi> its a bit more sofisticated -<ironi> anyway you can do most kano commands and options with / , you dnt have to use menus, which i think is handy -<gregh> well, I better get something to eat and you better sleep... -<ironi> if yu want to explore all the commands try typing /help -<gregh> I will read up on this complicated thing... -<ironi> and look onwards from there -<gregh> I'll just leave this running, though -<ironi> the commands that you do with / are called aliases btw -<ironi> hehe do that -<ironi> now waut -<ironi> wait -<ironi> try this /away food -* gregh is away, food [l/on p/on] -* ironi is gone, sleeping [l/on p/on] -<ironi> =) -<gregh> am I awa? -<ironi> yep -<gregh> away? -* gregh has returned, [gone/1m 26s] -<gregh> how do you get the private window? -<ironi> you double click a user in the list -<ironi> or if you want to do it the command line way you type /msg nickname text -<ironi> the reply will still open up a new window -<gregh> ok, I'm going to eat now, thanks alot for the info! -<ironi> np -* gregh is away, food+drinking [l/on p/on] -<ironi> kano is huge, takes forever to learn all the nifty email-checkers and other built-in utils -<gregh> s u later -<ironi> but a tip is to rght click and go on help->aliases -<ironi> ok take care -<ironi> -<ironi> -<ironi> gregh: do u use emacs? -<gregh> no -<ironi> xircon supports some of it -<ironi> ok -<gregh> I'm a VI man -<ironi> i think björn does -<ironi> i have to tell him about it, i just found out -<ironi> i haver used kano for 4 years, i keep finding new stuff -<ironi> haha -<gregh> isn't it about 3:30 in the morning now? -<ironi> oh damn =) -<ironi> i have to be up at 8 -<ironi> bye =) -<gregh> =) -<-- gregh has quit (" <k!15b8>") ---> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox -<-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) -<-- gregh has quit (" <k!15b8>") ---> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox -<-- gregh has quit (Client Quit) ---> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox -<PsycoXul> heh -<gregh> yes i'm back ---- dwihno|gone is now known as dwihno -<PsycoXul> hmm -<PsycoXul> http://www.sciplus.com/singleItem.cfm?terms=6609 -<PsycoXul> are those too long? heh -<PsycoXul> heh well... i guess they are -<PsycoXul> thats kinda... heh -<dwihno> Hmm, looks fishy -<PsycoXul> well i measured my batteries -<PsycoXul> they're only 2" -<PsycoXul> those are 9/16" longer -<PsycoXul> heh -<dwihno> Well, you can always re-design your player to make it accept the bigger batteries ;) -<dwihno> What kind of archos do you haev? -<PsycoXul> heh -<PsycoXul> studio20 -<adi|home> gregh: about your logs question -<adi|home> we have some of the irc conversation logs on the web site -<adi|home> but no _everything_ -<adi|home> and i met an ex on irc too ;) -<adi|home> well.. chat room.. not irc ;) -<dwihno> Does the archos firmware ever bug (major bugs, that is) for you? -<dwihno> adi|home: internet is not for real(tm) :) -<adi|home> dunno... havent' used it on my recorder -<PsycoXul> well adding a whole dir to a playlist adds through to the end of the disk or more usualy the 999 limit -<adi|home> thats not true dwihno -<adi|home> we talked on line for 6 months or so... -<dwihno> adi|home: The internet has you! -<adi|home> talked on the phone for another 4 -<PsycoXul> its a nice feature but not as nice as one that stops at the end of the dir :p -<adi|home> then met in real life -<dwihno> adi|home: nobody can be told what the internet is, you have to see it yourself! :) -<PsycoXul> and the 999 limit's real annoying on a 20G drive -<adi|home> we're 'togeather' for about a year -<dwihno> PsycoXul: true, true -<PsycoXul> the menus are a little random in their behaviour... they often don't return to where you expect them to -<PsycoXul> heh -<gregh> adi|home: which log question? ---> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox -<adi|home> asking if there was a master list to irc -<gregh> oh yes, I was going to see if catching up on irc logs was worthwhile -<adi|home> i think just diving into the code and asking questions is your best shot -<dwihno> adi|home: The internet has you!!! :O -<adi|home> find something you want to fix/do and do it -<adi|home> hehe damn right dwihno -<adi|home> i mud -<adi|home> i code -<adi|home> i research -<adi|home> i purchase -<adi|home> i bank -<PsycoXul> heh -<adi|home> i talk with my gf -<adi|home> i spend 'alone time' -<adi|home> it has me ;) -<gregh> i give $ to my gf -<dwihno> :) -<dwihno> MUD?! -<adi|home> mud baby.. mud -<dwihno> Hehe, I did that ages ago... Eww -<gregh> I thought of a cool new feature for rockbox -<dwihno> w -<dwihno> w -<dwihno> w -<dwihno> forage -<adi|home> hehehe yup -<adi|home> w -<adi|home> w -<adi|home> e -<adi|home> n -<adi|home> n -<g003y> who the heck has klez on the list? -<dwihno> :) -<adi|home> kill troll -<adi|home> run west -<adi|home> run west faster -<adi|home> pray -<adi|home> okya.. im off to quake a bit.. be back soon -<dwihno> quakes0r! -<dwihno> hm -* dwihno goes to check the evil mailbox -<-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox -<-- gregh has quit (" <k!15b8>") ---> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox -<-- gregh has quit (Client Quit) ---> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox ---> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox -<g003y> ok so now I know for sure I'm not the one with klez virus on my machine. -<g003y> *back to your regular scheduled firmware hacking* ---> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox -<adi|home> Bagder you check your mail recently? -<Bagder> checking now -<adi|home> k -<adi|home> i want to know what you think of the guys question about his 'Archos Jukebox 6000' -<adi|home> and my response, and then his response. -* adi|home is feeling a bit peeved. -<dwihno> Good morning Dr. Bagder -<g003y> you mean the "mp3 no id3 info bug" one? -<Bagder> his previous responses to other mails has proved him to be a bit "trigger happy" when it comes to reacting on mail content -<adi|home> k... -<adi|home> um.. am i out off line wanting to respond with 'fuck you' -<adi|home> i won't.. -<g003y> trigger happy... more like instant asshole. just add internet -<adi|home> but im just asking -<PsycoXul> hmm -<adi|home> I mean.. am i wrong that his email doesn't make it obvious that he is using a studio? -<PsycoXul> honestly i dunno what mp3 playback not working on the recorder has to do with a "No mp3 id info" message on a jukebox 6k... -* adi|home wonders if he is supposed to have the _entire_ archos line memorized -<PsycoXul> uh? -<g003y> ya know what... don't waste anymore cycles on him. He can't even get on this irc server -<PsycoXul> i think the lists getting too much crap lately -<adi|home> am i correct in thinking that there is no archos 6000 recorder? -<PsycoXul> 10 emails just with or about ones with viruses all pretty much at once -<adi|home> yeah.. but those were automated -<PsycoXul> heh -<Bagder> adi; yes, the 6GB recorder is named "Recorder 6" -<PsycoXul> is it? -<Bagder> I think so -<Bagder> hm -<Bagder> or perhaps not -<g003y> never seen on the site myself -<PsycoXul> well they're not called "Jukebox 6000"s i'm pretty sure -<PsycoXul> heh -<Bagder> no, that's for sure at least -<adi|home> so are there 2 versions? -<Bagder> of recorders? -<g003y> http://www.archos.com/us/products/product_jbrecorders.html -<PsycoXul> first there was the jukebox 6000 -<PsycoXul> the first player -<PsycoXul> and then later they came out with the recorder -<g003y> wow there is one.... never noticed before -<PsycoXul> which was also initialy 6G i think -* adi|home nods -<PsycoXul> and the 20G versions and the 10G versions -<PsycoXul> and best buy has had some 5G version of something too -<Bagder> there are players: 6000/5000 Jukbox, Studio 10 and 20, Recorder 6, 10 and 20. -* gregh is gone, sleep [l/on p/on] -<Bagder> there's a 5GB recorder? -<PsycoXul> i only know of the jukebox 5000 for 5GB -<PsycoXul> i dunno -<adi|home> might i spam the channel for a sec with my response before I send it just to him? -* adi|home waits for a descenting vote -<PsycoXul> die! -<PsycoXul> heh -<Bagder> you want my opinion? don't reply at all. -<adi|home> but but but... he needs a spanking -<PsycoXul> what for -<adi|home> cause i responded to offer and answer to his question -<adi|home> and he was a dick -* adi|home gets all pouty -<g003y> just email him this -<g003y> http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/ -<g003y> classic -<adi|home> lol -<PsycoXul> well -<adi|home> no no no... -<PsycoXul> i wonder if you even read his question -<PsycoXul> because honestly your answer had nothing to do with it in the least -<PsycoXul> :p -<adi|home> it does if you think about it -<PsycoXul> he mentioned nothing about music playback for one thing -<PsycoXul> he was talking about id3 info display -<adi|home> think abou it... -<adi|home> no.. he states thats the prob -<adi|home> if you _know_ that music won't play -<adi|home> why try and play an mp3? -<adi|home> thats what i was pointing out -* adi|home wonders if that made sense -<PsycoXul> and the other thing is he said "jukebox 6000" which is all over the place on the web page and other places as being a player and the first target and having music playback working -<adi|home> right, but how many emails do we get describing 'jukebox' -<PsycoXul> and even if music playback doesn't work, why should that stop somebody from testing id3 info display? -<adi|home> because he didn't state he was testing the id3 display -<adi|home> he didn't state anything other then 'is this a bug' -<PsycoXul> well gee i dunno -<adi|home> and i was responding that if he was trying to _play_ music.. then no its not a bug -<PsycoXul> asking about the display of the message "No mp3 id info" seems to imply something about id3 display -<g003y> regardless no reason to snap like a pitbull reading usenet -<adi|home> " but when -<adi|home> I tried to play some other, real, mp3file" -<g003y> "he's snapping at me. He's stripped his teeth" -<adi|home> is he exact statemnt -<adi|home> thats why i asked -<PsycoXul> he said he selected a non-mp3 file by mistake, got a no id3 info message, then went to a mp3 file and still got the no id3 message -<PsycoXul> and has to reboot to get the id3 info from an mp3 file -<PsycoXul> it sounds like a bug to me -<adi|home> right... -<adi|home> but was it the rebooting.. or the display he was asking about... -<adi|home> so thats what i was pointing out -<PsycoXul> it sounds like he was dropping an e-mail about the bug... -<adi|home> and franklky.. if he doesn't know enough to read that playback isn't playing on a recorder, then he doens't know enough to figure out how to leave the display -<adi|home> but _which_ 'bug' -<PsycoXul> heh -<adi|home> thats my point -<PsycoXul> the bug of id3 info not being displayed after having selected a non-mp3 file -<PsycoXul> kindof a silly one i admit, but something that might be looked into :p -<adi|home> but if its a recorder.. then its not a 'bug -<Bagder> weird bug it is -<adi|home> if your ead the website ;) -<adi|home> read rather -<PsycoXul> sure it is -<PsycoXul> as i understand it the recorder shouldn't have a problem displaying id3 info -<PsycoXul> even if you don't get music playback -<g003y> what if you select a non-mp3 file? :D -<PsycoXul> since he didn't even mention music playback though i don't think its worth worrying about in that respect -<PsycoXul> and since he did say explicitly "Archos Jukebox 6000" which is also on the website as having music playback -<PsycoXul> if you're intent on people reading the website -<PsycoXul> :p -<g003y> hehehehehe -<adi|home> heheh true -<PsycoXul> i'd have to agree with bagder and just drop it -<g003y> I'd say that is your best route. -<adi|home> yeah.. but pimp slapping is so much more fun. :) -<PsycoXul> maybe but not really the purpose of the mailing list -<PsycoXul> which, like i said before, is starting to get too much crap already as it is -<adi|home> i know.. thats why i wasn't going to send to the list -<adi|home> to him ;) -<adi|home> if you read irc ;) -<PsycoXul> ah well have fun if you want to -<g003y> dang where is that old send a bitch slap site when you need it :D -<PsycoXul> its your choice of course :p -<g003y> if his is on the list long enough maybe he will get the klez virus. -<g003y> his == he -<g003y> I wonder who the heck keeps sending that damn thing to the list anyway. -<Bagder> someone on the list is infected -<adi|home> i really need to get my hands on a player -<Bagder> there are ~166 suspects ;-) -<adi|home> i blame it on the 'instant asshole' -<adi|home> but hey, thats just me -<adi|home> wow.. that many ? -<g003y> hahahah -<-- gregh has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) -<g003y> well make it ~165 cuz it ain't me :D -<adi|home> 64 -<Bagder> haha -<adi|home> 164 -<g003y> I scanned for grins even -<Bagder> wc -l /home/majordom/lists/rockbox -<Bagder> 162 /home/majordom/lists/rockbox -<Bagder> I've suggested we lower the maximum mail size we allow to the list -<adi|home> i swear.. i think archos choose the AA cable so that you _had- to buy them through them.. cause i can't find them anywhere -<Bagder> it should stop most klezes -<adi|home> im all for it -<g003y> I got an extra AA fairly easy -<g003y> but that was when I first picked up the _jukebox 6000_ -<adi|home> ive looke everywhere -<adi|home> best buy, compusa, radio shack -<g003y> ugh... those places never have them -<g003y> on line -* adi|home noticed -<g003y> I ordered -<adi|home> ahh.. okay -<adi|home> I just got my Atari today :) -<adi|home> hehe 2600 baby... -<g003y> how many carts? -<adi|home> im at 20 or so -<g003y> nice -<adi|home> now i just need a converted for my tv -<adi|home> i don't have the vhf clips on this tv :) -<g003y> ratshack should have that -<adi|home> know what sucks... -<g003y> oh -<adi|home> it was in perfect condition -<adi|home> got a small chunk taken outta the edge in transit -<g003y> damn.... -<adi|home> the 3 small chips were in the box when i got it.. -<adi|home> yeah :( -<g003y> was that an ebay purchase? -<adi|home> yup -<adi|home> and the packing was very good -<adi|home> that was the sucky thing -<g003y> was it UPS or USPS? -<adi|home> USPS -<adi|home> priotiry insured -<g003y> hmmm.... -<g003y> I think they actually take the package when they pay out on a clain -<g003y> clain == claim -<adi|home> ick -<adi|home> im not claiming.. -<adi|home> im keeping this... -<adi|home> only a small chip -<g003y> if it works then don't bother -<g003y> get a tv card, and mod that mofo onto your pc case :D -<adi|home> lol -<g003y> you get all the joysticks? -<g003y> paddles -<g003y> ? -<adi|home> 2 sticks -<adi|home> and 4 paddles -<adi|home> i just need the ones with keypads -<g003y> I thought those were Intellivision -* adi|home nods -<adi|home> but if i remember atari made them as well -<adi|home> but im not positive -<g003y> well coleco had them too -<g003y> but only the rich kids had coleco :D -<adi|home> hehehe -<g003y> maybe that is a generalization, but I definitely couldn't afford one & I wasn't rich -<adi|home> i was crushed when i talked to my nephew.. and i showed him pics of the atari screens -<adi|home> he just went 'eww.. whats that?' -<g003y> hahahahahahahahahaha -<g003y> kids need that high res these days -<adi|home> nods -<adi|home> "what do you mean no blood?" -<g003y> "what is that dot?" "It's a tank bullet" -<adi|home> hehehe -<adi|home> i told him about pong... -<g003y> hah.... -<adi|home> and died when he said 'and you called that fun? ' -<g003y> just wait until his kids are playing games in supa-high 33330003030303x397439847984374987 sssvga organic wall tft screens -<g003y> when games have to be written slow on purpose cuz they can't max the hardware anymore. -<adi|home> LOL -<adi|home> Dad! Dad! can i buy the Nuerel-NetStation 3? -<adi|home> its only 765$!!! -<adi|home> On Sale! -<g003y> hahaha -<adi|home> holy christ -<g003y> no kidding -<adi|home> anyone else watching the brasil costa rica game? -<g003y> nope -* adi|home hates mentionging scores case anyone is taping it -<g003y> don't have cable so I've only been getting the next day tappings at work if someone brings them -* adi|home nods ->g003y< brasil has 3 goals in 30 mins -<adi|home> okay.. off to quake a bit -<g003y> hmmm... quake. -<g003y> reminds me... I need to finish gta3 ---> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-203-101-206.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox -<dwihno> and france+argentina sucks donkey-balls :) -* Bagder writes boring code at work... -/ ---> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox -<Zagor> hey all. i'm taking down the web and mail server for hardware updates -<Bagder> affirmative -<Zagor> see you soon -<-- Zagor has quit (Client Quit) ---- Disconnected (22). -**** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 13 04:35:39 2002 |