**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 23 07:54:50 2002 --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox --- Topic for #rockbox is Open Source Jukebox Firmware - http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ --- Topic for #rockbox set by Zagor at Fri Apr 12 15:45:52 >nickserv< identify nintendo -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized --- services. sets mode +e Bagder -MemoServ- You have no new memos >chanserv< op #rockbox --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bagder man o man.. am i behind..... heheh hey hows it going? just fine I finally got my usb2 working, then everything must be fine doesn't it? ;-) --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox morning Morning! Man, I just went to bed... :-) ugh :-) Fells like it anyway feels Sleep is overrated indeed, you do too little good work then ;-) But I do no harm either. :-) The threading kernel rocks! you've ran it on target now? Yup. Yesterday evening. *neat* It wasn't *that* hard. Half of the SH registers are scratch registers. The PR was the tricky part. I hate that gcc doesnt inline functions unless you optimize with -O. right, there should be some way to force that I tried a few preprocessor tricks but it messed up my stack frame. The next thing is a timer tick to sleep() on. yeps * Linus goes to fetch a cup of coffee * Linus says "aaaaaah" I modded Zagors serial port yesterday. No contact. :-( oh pain I wonder how many Player users have tried the remote control. * adiamas quotes "rest is for the weary and sleep is for the dead" Good morning! i ment to ask.. was there a decision reached about what type of filesystem we will be using? bah.. gettin ready for bed FAT32. Or have I missed something? have we implimented open() and stuff? for file opens and closes.. etc no but we intend to I mean, follow the standard file paradigms That doesn't really depend on what filesystem we use. Linus: do you know how to see what device the Archos appears as under Linux? I mean for /dev/sdaX... is that just the scsi devices enumerated? Not a good way. The storage driver outputs the string "sda1" (or whatever) in the kernel log. right * Bagder documents some of the USB madness Yes they are enumerated. So the first storage device you plug in gets sda1, the next gets sdb1 and so on. right, but ive never written anything that low level.. i mean for file IO... Björn may have som info about that... I mean the USB madness. yes The file I/O API will most likely look like POSIX * Bagder found some rather good (small and clean) id3-tag code he'll dissect today You mean version 2? both v1 and v2 Nice. It's a pity that ID3 V2 tags arent small and clean... hehe Some people should reaaly be shot Why do I always type double "a" when I want double "l"??? I guess it's a matter of brains size. :-) (and there was an extra "s" after "brain" ...) we'll need a seek for the id3 tag stuff to work Of course --> Zagor2 (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox --- Zagor2 is now known as Zagor morning morn of course you're supposed to start the archos before you load the modules. ;-) you know why? yeah, that's the timing issue they mentioned. the recorder takes too long to initialize that's probably also why you can't have it in the kernel, you're forced to use modules yes Zagor: I have a first id3 code approach ah, nice! Zagor: why does it work for you? (the recorder) because I've always done what you just discovered I just never thought it was special So you had it working out of sheer luck! well, sort of yes. it's a habit I established since writing the isd200 driver, to always load usb-storage last Grrr Zagor: I've tried to summarize the Linux/USB/Archos stuff in a little HOWTO I'd be glad to get some Player info added too ok, good. should I add it to the www module somewhere? sure, call it usb.t or usb-howto in docs/ ? no, in the www root ok docs is for data sheets added, it is plain ascii for now ok --> wavey (~wavey@dlan1431.dircon.co.uk) has joined #rockbox good goddamn morning to y'all * Bagder waves hi there * wavey badgers reading v1 and v2 tags mostly working now even estimates song length in seconds Rock'n'roll! wavey.. any particular reason you have a dir named after yourself in the CVS? Bagder: excellent! ad: it's where I'll be developing stuff hehe k :) hehe tetris.. i love it. do we have any generic data structure code yet? i wanna toy with playlist impl ideas no.. what do you need? lists, stacks hmmm and it's not c++ so stl is outta the question... yus i could hack you out a quick list class if you want... we have a list class heh so could I just not in the cvs :) it's about reuse :) a "class"? hehehe i know :) not class, file :-) nods * adiamas has c++ terms on the brain. * Zagor is polluted too apparently glib has all that inside it * wavey investigates * Bagder all of a sudden realizes that now he can check the total playtime of his entire mp3 collectin using his new tool ;-) hehe Title: Forever Young Artist: Alphaville Album: Forever Young Length: 225 seconds Bitrate: 128 Frequency: 44100 Bagder: you have source up yet? bad: you decoded the file according to the spec, or you stole the source from elsewhere? I stole it from Ample GPLed stole in the best possible way, of coiurse :) nods heh yeah what about id3? you said you ahve id2 and 1 down yes? yes id3v1 and id3v2 nice little command line util i pulled off of sf the other day... got ya.. been hacking on that... now, I'll make the estimated time to not use floats... so before i continue playing.. is there any use to the little battery display i tosed up? Daniel: how to remove all TABs in a file in emacs? untabify adiamas: i think it's useful, as soon as we get a UI going adiamas adi|atWork adiamas: you should port it to use the proper lcd API though nods Bagder: Yeah right. Any better idea? thats what i was talkin about... in emacs? no idea.. vi its easy. Linus: "Convert all tabs in region to multiple spaces, preserving columns." "in region" Ah. vi is never easy :) * Zagor ducks hehehe bah.. :%s// /g that just replaces it, then you have to reindent your whole source untabify does it right glib looks reasonably complete. reasonably slimmed, too? need to check the way it allocates memory we using malloc? if I wanna add test code for the id3 stuff, should I create a new dir in test/? not if we can avoid it Bagder: yes. test/bagder or test/id3 what i figure d ok, will use test/id3 did we ever straighten logging out? like what funcst were using? logging? for simulators etc nod debugf()? I think you could use the same API as debug.h glib is a MONSTER The glib lists require malloc() Well, most lists do... :-) I suggest that we use my list functions for lists. Daniel and Björn know what I'm talking about. I can commit them in a minute. sure ok, I admit: we need a subdir :-) * Bagder chuckles for all standard code such as lists etc those will quickly grow to many files OK here we go. Here comes the "common" directory! :-) Aaaaaah! no! not "common" aaaaaaaaaaagh! * Linus fears the "common" directory i still (stubbornly) think it's a good idea to have the current code in a single dir, though I hope it is fine to commit the id3.c source even though it still contains a few malloc? * Linus wants to brain wash Zagor sure So what shall it be? A "common"? would you rather call the lower level funcs that malloc references? * adiamas doesn't understand the problem about malloc i would rather avoid dynamic allocation alltogether, as far as possible No. it's just allergy to dynamic memory. adiamas: Say after me "memory leak" :-) say after me: code properly * Bagder committed his id3 code a single c file it's not just memory leak problems. it's memory use predictability we have *VERY* tight memory requirements, so control is of the essence memory use predictability? * adiamas figured it was that.. How much memory is used when * Zagor is not always too fluent in english ;) * Linus is waiting for a response about the "common" do we have a bid for a better name? nah.. i think that works... cause im against "stuff_that_everyone_is_probably_going_to_use_kept_in_one_spot" so am I. but I don't like the name "common" :-) 'shared'? we can always rename later id rather common over shared * Zagor grudgingly accepts 'common' mumble mumble ALOOS (A Load Of Old Shit)? ALOUS (A Load Of Useful Shit) ? okay.. battery.c in use it whenever you want, or ignore it.. whatever we have a few other widgets in Gary's code too apos (A Pile Of Stuff) poe (pieces of excriment) poetic :) * adiamas winks oh.. oh.. how about... "stuff" hehehe haha A winner * adiamas bows deeply and my mothe said i would never amount to anything... s/mothe/mother what other widgets are in garys code? "Draw battery level indicator" ;-) lol figures :) progress bar horizontal slider vertical slider perhaps a "widgets" file would make more sense... "Draw function key labels at bottom of screen" is gary's code in the cvs yet? no * Zagor has a revelation "drivers" :) for all the current stuff hmmm that don't seem right... heck, I'm man enough to admit I'm wrong sometimes I am, anyway ;) Bagder if you want to either a: mail me or b: submit to the cvs, ill try and update to current lcd code adiamas: you can find it on the web page Zagor: I think it might be a hit where? http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/gary/ found a nice non-float random number generator tiny too that works. with references to knuth throughout the code :) would it make more sense to have a 'widgets' file that has this sorta stuff in it? adiamas: don't put everything in the lcd.c, though right yes k maybe we should even have a 'ui' directory wow hmmm don't think we need that yet... Zagor's in the mood today ;-) hehe. it's either 0 or 1, you know ;) we cold always create it later when the need suits.. yes I have sinned ? I added a "common" directory you mean apart from toasing my jukebox? ;) toasting Prove it. :-) * adiamas runs around screaming that the sky is falling hehe we'll have a mailreader.c before you know it... :) netscape syndrome lol "Every software evolves until it can read mail" and it won't be mailreader.c, it'll be mail/Imap.c mail/pop.c mail/smtp.c because i'm committing them now ;) hehe, right heh well the hell with you guys... im commiting common/Solitare.[ch] outta spite. :) ...i already committed tetris.c. neener neener ;) i know.. i played withit.. Sorry. I'll have to move them to common/mail/pop.c etc. * wavey chuckles I'm off for a few hours, back later... CU! now a really cool tetris would be able to increase and decrease in size ;) * wavey Bagders later adiamas: yeah, mine is a bit small :) coolness is related to the ability to pulsate? that's a new one whats was the final word on src format? 4 spaces on indent yes? yes and i_am_a_function, not IAmAFunction right? yes and IAMAMACRO right or I_AM_A_MACRO is acceptable too any word on comments? glad to hear it :) C style namely, multiline? there's // comments already in there wavey: yeah, but their about to go extinct they're * adiamas will fix those as much as he can as he goes ok cool * adiamas wonders if the src formats should be added to the FAQ yes we have a CONTRIBUTING file describing it. that should be mentioned in the faq and CONTRIB * adiamas nods ok guys, commit what you have. I'm about to move all drivers OK Zagor. Define driver. good point here's my thought about which files go into "drivers": pile.c hammer.c andretti.c ata, button, fat, i2c, lcd, led, mas, serial * adiamas cackles happily * Linus falls asleep * adiamas nods seems sensible Kick it! CLEAR * Linus ducks heh with cvs, as long as i do an update -dP, do i still ahve to do a checkout before i work on and submit code? you should to avoid complex conflicts k. how should i reference the CONTRIB in the FAQ? just tell them to check out CONTRIB in the source? yes, or bjorn.haxx.se/firmware/CONTRIBUTING ok i'm done that url doen'st work ah, forgot "rockbox" http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/firmware/CONTRIBUTING node nod okay.. all fixed web page updated my cvs update didn't create the drivers subdirectory within firmware. isn't it recursive? you should use "update -dP" ok, cheers as it says on the web page :) --- Linus is now known as Linus|lunch doh whats the address to send _to_ the mailing list?> rockbox@cool.haxx.se --- Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch okay.. last addition to FAQ for the night.. bed time now... night night --- adiamas is now known as adi|sleep oh... btw.. if my humor gets a bit much.. tell me... i tend to wander a bit on the 'acceptable' scale weird behaviour on my recorder - all sound ceased a shutdown and restart with dc power didn't change that a battery pull with no dc woke it up piece of shit --> alkorr (jbcoax@srs03v-6-237.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox hiya alan hi everybody 'hi doctor nick!' * wavey chuckles simpson's reference s/'// :) <-- alkorr has quit (Client Quit) does id3 have upper size limits for strings? for memory saving, it seems sensible to me to extract the values from a track we want to display at runtime using the id3 code, (with a fallback to the filename if id3 is empty ) rather than having the track entry in the playlist duplicate those values. i know that makes almost no sense so ignore it until i can express myself clearly :) i keep having a file that lists as 'read only' but the permissions are set otherwise... ive had this before.. how do i change it. on unix? yup i've never had that chmod 777 fails? are you accessing the file from the cmdline or some tool? and aren't you asleep? :) cmdline i kno i know... and i have had it before.. linux? ext2? learned it when a box i was working on was cracked... yeah.. its not related to the chmod perms and you are su? yup... tried it that way to.. i know its not tht.. you're saying that root is being told a file is read only? that only happens when the fs is read only yes... dude.. ive had this before... trust me.. no.. its not.. i know what im talking about here ;) sounds fucked to me :( --- Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor --- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus by the way, i've started coding playlist.c to provide a simple list of tracks it'll use linus' lists.c and some randomising code i found add, remove, get next, get previous, etc sounds good wavey: we're using newlib, which includes rand() wavey: rand() is part of stdlib. how large is newlib i didn't expect to be using any libs a lot smaller than glib :)