**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 9 19:13:53 2002 --> adiamas (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-77.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has joined #rockbox --- Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ --- Topic for #rockbox set by adi|home at Tue Jun 4 04:41:56 --> motiv01 (~trillian@sdn-ar-001ncraleP205.dialsprint.net) has joined #rockbox --> adam (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox lo. Thomas Detert - Clystron (title) --> g003y2 (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox hey http://c64.org/radio/ == incredible ok.. what is it? heh streaming radio of weird c64 remixes my favs are the Clystron ones which, I'll stream right now http://rei.damnsw.net:8000 i should setup my c64 to be a kindof instrument heh Finally it gets a little cooler out here. and I don't think my stupid id3 streaming is working hmm, anyone know of a good cartoonish icon for the Archos jukebox? sidstation! * adam isn't using KDE or GNOME albeit uh If there isn't one, I might as well make one :P the sidstation rules all music devices heh <-- g003y2 (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox fear sid whats this sidstation heh let google be your friend ahh, anne is listening to my stream * adam is impressed :P bah i didn't say i wanted to buy anything i said i should setup shit i already got to do new things :p BUT YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT! naah heh if i'm gonna play with a synthesizer that i don't already have i'm gonna make my own :p indeed i'd rather make my own non-electronic instrument though that somehow uses magnetism and resonance conditions for suprising self-amplification or somesuch :p * adam will get a bottle that uses the power of wind heh damnit i was thinking something stringed ants trying to get my beer ants rock :p efficient little creaturse ... either that or something that uses things no instruments have as-of-yet utilized for sound creation :p heh yeah life is weird stuff heh and if you talk to the scientists these days you'd get the impression that life isn't possible :p heh would a self replicating robot be too hard to make? :P to hell with self replicating * adam notes his room is too warm i'd just like any kind of machine that can not only perform useful work, but also mantain itself, and gather energy for itself, without any need for further user interaction once operational * adam would like intelligent ants :P sapient bugs, yeah you know, if we could tap into the same principles life itself runs on, we'd have no need for batteries or generators we'd have ourselves a nifty little overunity device :p like photosynthesis? ;p or how about the principles that atoms run on they do run, afterall :p heh *shrugs* it takes a tremendous amount of energy just for a piece of matter to exist sometimes I'd just like to see it all fall down ;p yeah well it'll do that because once i build my technology on these principles, i'm not gonna share it.. i'll just take it and leave, and watch the commets hit some years later ... heh. * PsycoXul laughs maniacally * adam in turn will live in the wilderness with bicycle powered electronics :P bah. electronics primitive utilization of subatomic forces indeed cheap, too :p its too convoluted and inefficient it works fine for me ;) of course, I'm not an evil genius i've aquired a distaste of digital abstraction its like a cheap and super-lossy vague ghost of what the data represents its only lossless between itself since it's discrete packets of information that can be easily be recognized by our primitive techniques and here is my great ant running around she searches for food. :P yeah man * adam will aquire a fondness for air conditioning i want a computer that'll go out and find its own electricity :p but not a computer and not electricity but thats the idea you know :p bbl dinner and stuff heh * adam will go take his beast for a walk later "I eated them purple berries and I feel fun" * adam returns --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- adam has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> adam (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox * adam sets up the gopher --- dw|weekend is now known as dwihno Good morning people hey * adam notes gopher is completely useless when he is running apache on the same box of course it doesn't hurt to run it ;p * dwihno hasn't been using any gopher stuff in ages yeah, I'm going back in time, man Timewarp! :O I'm catching up on the email I got this wekend I read about Linus getting past the ata: -5 error stage (which is great for the development) * adam preens his dirs * dwihno yawns like crazy 2 new e-mails I bet it's regarding me not getting any jobs ;) * adam notes he should probably be heading out g'night <-- adam has quit ("[BX] Tickle-Me Elmo uses BitchX. *giggle* *giggle* *giggle*") --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox * Bagder committs * dwihno yells ... and we're now "OK" on 7 builds out of 9 ;-) 7 of 9... hm yay isn't that Start Trek? ;-) -t hehe you are gay You need to get out more often but I don't have any 802.11 ! ;-) okay.. was gonna hang out.. but the us-china game is on.. time to curl into bed and watch some soccer/futball night all --- You are now known as adi|home night adi|home dwihno: you tried the latest rockbox on your recorder yet? Bagder: not really... I'm always afraid of having the disk locked :) chicken ;-) blahblahblah hehe I'm waiting for more functionality! Like mp3 decoding, playlist etc. :) yeah, it makes more sense when it can play those mp3s ;-) yeah but I'll try it as soon as the file transfers are done I need to upgrade my player (as in recorder) --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox --> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox moo! hey fellas 20 gb is not enough for both data and music hello L and Z hi we are down to "OK" on seven builds now seven of nine star trek blahblahblah ;) Zagor: I guess we are still mentally connected :-) yup :) Bagder: neato. warn-kill session this weekend? Zagor: me and Linus did most of them on last friday Mostly this friday I did the the two final ones this morning only chartable.c warnings left Tha table was so ugly with all those warnings my phone broke this weekend, so I haven't been able to read the mail SMSs it broke? display again? yeah, somehow. everything works, execept reading SMS... ???? hehe worn out ;-) "too many SMS error" Don't have it in your back pocket! :-) "you've reached the maximum number of SMS" Linus: yes, but it's triggered by reading SMS. very strange. the screen goes blank, yet everything still works. VIRUS!!!! klez! hehe * Bagder chuckles I sent you an SMS full of CLS characters this friday. :-) :) I have given tha ATA problem a thought this weekend I don't want it to break now, there's no good phones out yet :) Linus: any result? Is it possible that Andrew (or whoever it was that drew the Recorder sheets) has a Recorder10? Yeah, I read the mailing list entry about the ATA stuffs0r Linus: a 10 or also a base "no-number" recorder Maybe there are recorders out there that use address 0x300 for ATA CONTROL/ALT_STATUS? we need to try an older recorder Tell me about the serial mod dwihno: what do you want to know? How hard is it to do, and what do you basically do? dwihno: it's described on the web page but only for the Player right we connect serial port 1 to the line In jack that way we can connect a gdb debugger ah <-- is newbie lamer stuff dude :-) I MUST upgrade my recorder with a 40 gig disk... I just realized that Zagor: why do we need two leading // in a filename in the root 60 is too expensive Linus: do we? not on purpose, anyway I tried the playlist code last friday id didn't add any slashes at all, so i added one and it still didn't work with one slash it said "must be absolute path" odd with two, it didn't find the file sorry, that last thing was wrong let me start over: add DEBUGF() for the opens. sine files can be opened in the root, I suspect the problem is in the playlist code rather than the file code no slash: "must be absolute" one slash: "file not found" the file names are sent with two slashes to the mpeg thread by the dir browser as well ok, very strange smells like pointer problenm not likely * dwihno points his finger to the skies! "IT'S A PLANE! NO, IT'S A BIRD! NO... IT'S... ZAGOR!" Something funny to do on a rainy day: Defrag the archos over an USB 1.1 interface ;) * PsycoXul wouldn't defrag his archos heh of course you would The designers of the archos should have chosen a wider LCD that would have been nice yes, in colour 4" ;*) except there's no room :) touch screen Bagder: why does the dir browser have two leading slashes in the file name when selecting a file in the root? because it is silly? maybe. i didn't think of that Linus: it's a bug, naturally isn't it a feature ? Zagor: There is always room! :) Bagder: hehe. look at the BUTTON_PLAY case in tree.c that 'if' doesn't do much difference, does it? :-) wait. it does. i am silly i know :) ah! playtune() adds an extra slash aha silly code ahh, mail scan complete :) did anyone ever see code from the guy who worked on the scroller? 'playing' should be remade to be an enum for "play mode" Zagor: he mailed it to Linus I have it ok. can you send it to me? I'd like to get this working today roger that Bagder: can we get some kind of "tick hook" in the simulator? "tick hook"? yes, a periodic execution of a routine so we can get scrolling in the simulator, too I'd prefer having "thread support" can we change the playtune API to have just a full path instead of dir and name? using setjmp/longjmp Linus: fine with me Bagder: but the thread switches aren't periodic. scrolling will look horrible if done in a thread :) hm Zagor: we can't do lcd updates in an interrupt anyway well we could have a simulated timer tick using pthreads I guess Linus: no? we do it in UIE imagine an lcd update being interrupted fine, so we mutex it * Bagder gets scared uh, no bugger... mutexes and interrupts don't work i know so what do we do? any bright ideas? we have to do it in a separate thread we can try doing it in a thread and see how bad it looks. maybe i'm exaggerating the horridness Zagor: i share your fear we'll just have to find out Bagder: do you have time to work in threading for the simulator? s/in/on I'll see what I can do fixed the dreaded bug now, may get time to do this today which bug was that? ah, at work? yeah very amusing one, I'll tell you one day ;-) in short: when you use malloc() to allocate memory for your custom memory functions, don't do free(-1) when that thread terminates ;*) (in pSOS) hehe since we have certain parts using the standard malloc() too we started getting random crashes all over when the same memory was handed out... ooh, nice yeah, took a good while to narrow down --> alkorr (alkorr@srs03v-8-217.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox yo howdy hi alan I think perhaps we shuld go with pthreads all the way for threads in the simulator and use mutex or similar to have only one run at a time sounds good to me of course it'll make the scheduling different, but I figure we can live with that hi alan Bagder: yes, we shouldn't be counting on the scheduling behaving in any specific way right Zagor: except that it isn't premptive preemptive right, we'll have to enforce that right yield will return a mutex and then attempt to get it again damn. the keys are bouncing on my Player good what's the trouble ? i think we need some kind of debouncing after all if you don't want to poll you can use one of 5 timers we poll today first polling start timer at the end of timer, polling again to check if no change, okay if yes restart easier to just add debouncing to the current code, i think where it occurs this debouncing ? oh quite now i have some difficult to compile rockbox are you really sure of removing all dependencies ? i mean like stdlib.h, etc. no, we still need some newlib header files no we haven't i intend to fix that i would like to change the way to handle adc so we can scan the 8 all analogic pins but not before a working rockbox by the way, i saw you only read 8bits instead of 10bits maybe for the keyboard it is sufficient but for batteries level or external power ? maybe 10 bits is better for that, yes 8 bits should be enough for anybody ;) actually, i haven't done any research on where the other A/D inputs go the player schematics show nothing it is why it could be interesting to investigate via software but i assume that at least the battery voltage measurements use the A/D alkorr: good project so we can see any variation on one of 8 analogic pins when plugging on or off anything Zagor: go ahead and remove the libc header dependencies BTW, is it possible to compile gcc without any libc at all? as you code it, i'm unsure i tried last week, and failed on some asm code or does it default to glibc? asm code? no libc and glibc is different yes just an explanation when you are doing C shift operation if I remember well Linus: yes, i'll run it again and paste the error like : i is int => i >>= 3; will call a libc shift function libgcc, yes /home/linus/cross_sh1/gcc-3.0.4/gcc/config/sh/lib1funcs.asm: /tmp/cc7nk38J.s:47: Error: no such instruction: `rotcl r4' if the sign doesn't matter, you must turn into (unsigned)i >>= 3 to have the opcode instaed of a external function add -m1 ? alkorr: glibc and libgcc aren't the same, are they? equally true for multiple and divide i thought glibc and newlib did the same job and that libgcc did what you describe exactly libgcc provides some standard operation that cpu has not so glibc is a gnu implementation of libc okay, i mean glibc is not libgcc and newlib is another newlib is like a light glibc, i think libgcc is built anyway, regardless of newlib or glibc exactly so, back to my question: so don't worry about because mine is working can you build a gcc without any libc at all? ok good! so you don't have any linc at all? libc I only have trouble with newlib never tried it i don't think so i must have it ! wait ! libc : i must have it newlib : cannot compile it anyway, because you have some operators in C which can be turned into CPU opcodes, they call a function from libc so i think libgcc cannot be removed anyway, if you code trying to avoid to use operators or functions which uses libc your final code would keep nothing from libc. so it isn't a trouble for us anyway, because you have some operators in C which CANNOT be turned into CPU opcodes, they call a function from libc i'm an forever optimist :) we don't compile with libc today, so no we don't need it libgcc we need however --> alan (alkorr@srs07v-6-45.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox sh*t ! i did not have time to read until i was disconnected Bagder: i know, but i figured gcc wanted *some* kind of libc what's the trouble with libc ??? Linus: nope it only depends on what you need int divide (int a,int b) { return a / b; } ==> .type _divide,@function _divide: mov.l .L2,r0 sts.l pr,@-r15 jsr @r0 nop lds.l @r15+,pr rts nop .L3: .align 2 .L2: .long ___sdivsi3 that's in libgcc, not libc ah yes sorry i thought you were speaking about libgcc we still link with libgcc so you are speakink about libc and libm ? Linus asked about libc did you try without libc or libm ? we don't link with them so yes