**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 14 02:27:04 2002 --> adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.146) has joined #rockbox --- Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ --- Topic for #rockbox set by ChanServ at Tue Jun 11 03:31:20 hey adiamas hey ya... now that i have my UPS set up... im finally going to get around to get a cross compiler going :) go go go ;-) --- You are now known as adi|home following Linus' instruction, it is really simple *nmods* only prob is im running gcc 2.95 right now :) that shouldn't matter if you have the source for that one already, you can probably make a cross compiler out of that version that reminds me... the simulator was coring on me yesterday when i shuffled the playlist i tracked it.. but it made no sense oh can you repeat it now? dunno.. was going to test in a few ok it cored yesterday when we messed around with an empty dir how do i force fstab to be reread? on linux? do you know? reread? mount -a? no, that only mounts all my prob is this.. i have my archos mount with the same permissions that my floppy does at least thats what the fstab tells me i can mount the floppy as a user, but not the archos you have the nouser flag? nope /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos vfat noauto,owner 0 0 ok, so you changed that but the user still can do it? no... as a user i can mount my floppy, but as a user i cannot mount my archos and my floppy entry is the same /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner 0 0 I just use umask=0 and am happy with that ;-) heheh /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos vfat noauto,umask=0 0 0 ill try it :) that still requires root to mount but any user can write to it see.. don't want that :) i want user to be able to mount it :) beats me really hehe no worries yup.. still happens .. the coring.. can you check on your version and ensure im not nuts? sure you're full of the nuts? :) okay... load the uizim the sim then load a playlist then go to shuffle the list and shuffle and it should core after it finishes ok... fixing my darned X-redirect... * adi|home screams my rockbox on the archos reboots.. even with the dc plugged in wtf ugh ugh what? the logo looks sharp though :) ugh as in "oh that is not nice" hehe hehe and my icons look sweet :) they do hehehe screen saver on the rockbox... sooooooo cool :) :-) god i love this are there icons now? * adi|home nods it doesn't crash for me there always were.. we just wernet using them hmmm wtf... i did a make clean and a cvs update adi|home: Show me a screenshot! :D of the icons? sure.. give me a min adi|home: can you show me a stack trace? yay! :D sure.. give me a min doing an update and recompile just in case dwihno.. you have dcc on? Yuppers --- Offering sshot.jpg to dwihno okay.. bagder.. how do i get you a stack trace? strace? right? run 'gdb rockboxui core' then 'where' (or 'bt' if you prefer a shortcut ;-) no stack adi|home: How cute! :D heh wait.. im stupid the cursor should be replaced dwihno: yes indeed okay.. then what bagder? i know where is choking on mine.. i just don't know why. I'll draw one rightaway ;D mail it to me, daniel@haxx.se please do How big is the font btw? want me to just dcc it to you? adi|home: I'm tunneled, bounced, crawled and sneaked so much dcc is impossible ;-) hehhe okay 5x7? yes sent something else i was thinking... we can 'shuffle' and empty list got it we should be checking that namely.. if you havne't loaded a list, tell the user that yes I told Zagor so too ..... ##... ###.. ####. ###.. ##... ..... There, a new cursor ;) adi|home: there's no stack trace there! dwihno: now convert it to bytes, LSB in the top, each column one byte and use the 5 bytes width 5 pixels LSB? least significant bit bit 0 Line 1: 0, line 2: 3 ? no column-wise mkay column 0; 0x7e adi|home: this dump just shows lots of loaded symbols and the actual crash point, no stack trace try running it with gdb from the start: 'gdb rockboxui' 'run' [booom] 'bt' k what is bt? back trace k.. all it returns is: #0 0x0804e10f in menu_run (m=Cannot access memory at address 0x3d099dcc ) at ../../apps/menu.c:169 Cannot access memory at address 0x3d099dc4 and i could have told you that hm i found out that much last night.. exactly where it is dieing.. but now why its the menu_redraw in main_menu.c when you return from the function ptr Bagder: 0x3e, 0x3e, 0x1c, 8, 0 dwihno: you should use the full 5x7 we have 6x8 we have? yes mkay me stupid me back in a flash soon ;) no ;-) me need coffee menu_redraw? yup.. one sec ill get you a line * Bagder runs to fill up more coffee sorry.. menu_draw menu.c:164 lcd_clear_display(); menus[m].items[menus[m].cursor].function(); /* Return to previous display state */ menu_draw(m); break; the function call goes fine "m" is valid before the call --> Zagor (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox all looks fine in he call we return and _barf_ hi all hey zagor found a nice core that Bagder cant seem to repeat ooh, shiny! :) * adi|home nods 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x3c, 0x3c, 0x18 0x7e, 0x42, 0x42, 0x24, 0x24, 0x18 (for a "transparent" version) ;) zagor.. what's the opposite of LSB term-wise? know how the archos works better when you have dc plugged in? dwihno: msb mkay * dwihno suck when it comes to buzzwording :) nah. your just 'Livt' Add my cursor code :) don't mix those with big-endian and little-endian like some people do :) dwihno: in progress at least your not a 'Liar' Hadaka: what's the diff between big and little-endian? /me has always been on the intel platform... well intel is the stupid one :) the size of the feather adi|home: haw haw haw Hadaka: so what is the difference? smiles broadley word order? Tell me byte order in words little endian is A B C D big endian is B A D C if I'm not tripping, it's too early in the morning (that's bytes) you are tripping :) C D A B ? heheh but he's right isn't he? * adi|home remebers it that way no, big-endian is straight big-to-small. little-endian is twisted * adi|home taps Hadaka on the shoulder and askes if he is a he, just in case err, big-endian is small-to-big yup, sorry guys, I'm male so big should be: D C B A or if you are guys }:> and little is: C D A B ? adi|home: nope I hope that is the lowest byte of a big-endian word is the highest value 0xCAFEF00D is 0xCA 0xFE 0xF0 0x0D Bagder: Is the cursor cute? not quite there yet oh.. little: 0x0D 0xF0 0xFE 0xCA? hmh, lowest? do you mean 0xCA with that or 0x0D? i meant lowest address 0xCA hm, yeah oh yeah * adi|home is confused again Little endian is gay, in that case * adi|home needs to go back and read given CAFEFOOD what is little? big-endian assumption being that the highest address should be highest value - which is wrong s/big/my big/; Hadaka: ah jesus one should never run into these things Hmm For someone who knows nothing on this endian stuff, who should I listen to so I won't learn the wrong stuff? :) haha hehe lotsa pot smokers in belguim must be happy :) hehe Zagor he's been right so far in everything else :) heh :) Zagor: Give me a skolboksexample, s'il vous plait :) http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/b/big_endian.html little endian cafefood is just the opposite: 0x0D 0xF0 0xFE 0xCA haha UNIX -> NUXI - 'U' 'N' 'I' 'X' is big endian, 'N' 'U' 'X' 'I' is little endian :) So when will one be affected by endianness? And don't tell me some apache joke now adi ;) dwihno: reading binary data as 'shorts' or 'longs' etc Hadaka: yes but only when talking about two 16-bit words. if it was 32-bit, it'd be XINU dwihno: like when reading a BMP file from disk ;-) Hehe... I bet 'my' BMP reader will freak out with little endian big endian on the archos? oops well, you know what I mean ;) yes, except some hardware (like the ata controller) is little endian eww endian soup and the mp3 chip is little-endian bit-wise, so we have to flip every single friggin byte before we send it... They should have chosen a big-endian mp3 decoding chip yeah, well there's a list of "they should've"s :) starting with 'they should've made the price cheaper' They should have made the screen 400x200 pixels :) What is the most power consuming part (apart from the hard disk stuff) ? i don't know. cpu, i guess okay.. just to double check... ABCD in big indian is CDAB in little? if the data is two 16-bit words, yes if it's one 32-bit word, it will be DCBA k... and if you have 2 32 bit words of ABCD ABCD? or ABCD EFGH DCBA HGFE russian belguim game has gotten really good :) * dwihno is amazed by the stupidity of some people Encoding stuff @ 192kbps even when the quality is really bad hehe, I found something... #define MAX_MENUS 4 in apps/menu.c hehehe okay? thats why we core? yeah you made a new menu? damn.. how did you find that? hey.. they added shuffle playlist as a new menu? not just an entry? no.. its an entry.. so that shouldn't effect it this is an entry count MAX_MENUS is the max menu depth, not max entries * adi|home nods then it is used wrongly ok check main_menu.c and the menu_init() call checking no sorry my bad no problem there ok zagor.. yup? can you explain why 32 bit words become DCBA HGFE seems more sensible that it would be EFGH ABCD or GHEF CDAB your data is 64 bits * adi|home nods aaaaaaaaarggghhh! you make me go nuts! :) so it's split up in two 32-bit words right the words don't change places or anything the byte swapping is only done within the word okay... why doen'st the same idea follo for 16bit works? words? you said: ABCD becomes CDAB if the swap is within words.. wouldnt: BADC make more sense? "word" is a crappy term to use i didn't say that, did I? it's wrong 32-bit ABCD becomes DCBA 16-bit ABCD becomes BADC Bagder: the daily build is already built? yes 6 am MET darn Then I'll wait until tomorrow ;) We need a "select cursor" menu ;D I'll just fix the cursor for the tree browser too and soon we'll see can i assum then that on 64 bit words we would be: ABCDEFGH => HGFE DCBA? * Bagder tries to figure out the best way to deal with the margins in the tree browser adi|home: yes * adi|home is finally getting this thank you for the help... Bagder: what is your problem with margins? no problem btw, adi, whatever happened to your logging effort? * adi|home whistles innocently * Bagder chuckles my isp decided to get alot more unstable we need a bot in here to just sit and suck everything up i'd still say you're the guy with the most complete logs. you're always here * adi|home blushes i can put up what i haver right now yeah, that is an option please do Hey, what happened to privacy?! ECHELON SEES YOU! :D that doesn't exist on the net ;) /whois privacy oops ;-) ECHELON BUSH TALIBAN USAMA BIN LADEN {{{{{ hugs to you }}}}} my current rockbox log is 1.1 megs There, my footprint in the internet world ;D adi|home: will you split it up into days? all i ahve to say is that PRESIDENT BUSH is the BOMB and bin laden needs to DIE for you zag? sure but only cause its you hehe * adi|home winks suggestivly nudge nudge nudge nudge... wink wink.. kno what i mean.. know what i mean... have you ever.. have ya hu? have you... ya know... there we go again ;-) find / -name bin | awk '{print $1 " laden"}' * adi|home yells out 'Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Zagor.. should i remove room enters and leaving? * Bagder thinks so yes and everything dwihno-related. I want my privacy ;D dwihno: your privacy can be found here => #dwinos_secrets set it invite-only ;-) :D Mr. Funny pants http://www.klitta.nu/dw/keops_bigapple.png Speaking of funny pants someone could make some work on a vertical slider if we should have one hmm It could share space with the cursor I like the display like it is now - as many filenames as possible! :) * Bagder commits new cursor YAY! :D Which did you chose? 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x3c, 0x3c, 0x18 but it looks a bit ugly ;-) too thick ugly cursor for ugly people shift it left one step and make the new first column smaller than then I thought about that too perhaps even two steps do so 0x7f, 0x3e, 0x1c, 0x08, 0x00, 0x00 wins Zagor: does the scroll code care about the lcd margins on the recorder? yes Bagder: yay! does the scroll look fishy on the players? no that I know not the new cursor only uses 4 pixels width zagor.. your gonna love me in a min :) I'll start working on a variable width font this weekend * Zagor feels his heart warming dwihno: cool dwihno: it would be really cool How are you storing the fonts right now? Bagder: have you kept my code that handles proportional fonts? like the cursor? Zagor: I think I have it somewhere, yes I was thinking about an extra byte for w&h dwihno: I adjusted it I added a bug when scrolling in the tree browser though :-/ So what are the measurements we should keep? Bagder: It's called a surprise feature, not bug :) as small as possible :) SURPRISE! :D How about umlauts and special chars? yes please a full iso 8859-1 is ideal heck, this bugs more than just in the scroll I'll work against the charmap in the recorder... more coffee needed * dwihno is not looking forward to the 1 o'clock meeting meetings are time thieves dwihno: either that, or look here: http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859-1.gif okay.. irc files updated but you ge to fix the html ;) im going to bed ok, bye night adi now you can try the new cursor hm brb <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/ brand new I'll test it rightaway ummm.. don't mean to be an ass ;) but the cursor you just put in.. is exactly like the Selector that was there and not being used :) haha adi|home: you're an ass :) * Bagder is blind don't blame me... _you_ didnt read the code ;)( Heh So what? :) I'm no coder I just come with ideas hehehe im just bustig your balls.. but... but... eh, but my cursor is one more pixel to the left! ;-) :D besides.. yours looks sharper for some reason hehehe keep yours delete Selector YOUR cursor?! :/ * dwihno is offended your.. meaning you ddi the new one didn you ? haha * adi|home runs to bed erhm dwihno: compare the values, they aren't really the ones you gave me ;-) they are not! oh my god! You evil dude the lcd still flickers I pulled up xmag and zoomed in and this setup was the nicest I could do no it don't.. you just blink funny and the [browse] line should be removed since another line of files would fit ;D actually I think that's a good idea. we want to use the screen fully What is the dimensions of the screen? well.. remember your going to want battery indicators and we havne't thought about time or anything adi|home: agreed, but personally I prefer such information on a separate info screen Me too or during playback or something. not in the browser browser is a browser during playback, there is a lot of space for displaying such information nod brb <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox my ssh X-redirect is *so* weird it works the second login I do not the first <-- is pissed off <-- wants to order his F!("#)¤/)! laptop! Will there be L/R volume bars in the future? you mean during playback? yeah no thanks... I mean, it's not that pretty and it looks rather silly when only updated a couple of times per secnod yes i don't like it either A wider battery might be nice too i say we skip the silly icon and use hard numbers instead %? yeah Yeah, and a "time left" feature :D (or, at least, some kind of estimation) that's, ummm, difficult even just % is very difficult it is? Does not the hardware supply the values? Or do you have to pull off a sw trick to read it? the hardware supplies battery voltage, that's all hm voltage, as in 1.2 volts? yes oh Mail the archos guys and ask them :) heh, yeah right :) "Hello mr. archos guy. How do you perform the battery check? We think battery status would be neat in Rockbox" would be cool to get an external meter on that thing and keep showing the voltage all the way until the unit dies Get going! :D --- dwihno is now known as dw|lunch --- dw|lunch is now known as dwihno --> [TOT]Maverick (~webmaster@pD953A193.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox <[TOT]Maverick> hi <[TOT]Maverick> Just tried out the new daily build for the recorder <[TOT]Maverick> Dunno if you already know but the Euro-Symbol doesnt work it just displays a ?. yeah, we lack a number of symbols in the font <[TOT]Maverick> Hehe <[TOT]Maverick> I used it for DJ DEEP the both EEs were Euros Oh how neat <[TOT]Maverick> :) <[TOT]Maverick> Tetris is nice hehe, yeah. a little diversion while you... eh... don't listen to music (yet) :) <[TOT]Maverick> But I hate these buttons they arent like the ones of a gameboy or something <[TOT]Maverick> who needs music on a mp3 player :) <[TOT]Maverick> First i also thought about reporting the scrolling bug but you fixed it first :) hehe <[TOT]Maverick> Hehe developers are faster in fixing bugs than user in reporting em <[TOT]Maverick> BTW Music in tetris would be nice the music will keep playing during tetris. just fire up a big playlist and you'll be set did you try loading a playlist, btw? i think you will be pleasantly surprised... <[TOT]Maverick> No i never use playlist *beatme* i know, the archos playlists aren't very useful. we're changing all that <[TOT]Maverick> hehe <[TOT]Maverick> You dont understand <[TOT]Maverick> I NEVER use em :) <[TOT]Maverick> Not in winamp, not on the box.. how are you using it? playing a record at a time, or having all songs in one dir? <[TOT]Maverick> my songs are too long fo puttin them into a list too long? <[TOT]Maverick> i usually listen to mixes about 300mins long a track ah, ok <[TOT]Maverick> so there is no need for mee so what you really want is mid-track resume <[TOT]Maverick> but of course for normal songs its quite useful <[TOT]Maverick> yeah THAT would be usefeul for ME :) it's coming in a later version <[TOT]Maverick> Shouldnt be too hard to realize, nor? not really. the scary part is writing on the harddisk... :-) <[TOT]Maverick> hmmm <[TOT]Maverick> Perhaps you could use a hidden directory for saving data <[TOT]Maverick> OR use the MBR!!! exactly right.. <[TOT]Maverick> That would be an option we'll use a sector before the FAT <[TOT]Maverick> yeah so its hidden in windows yup <[TOT]Maverick> nice and so we don't have to look for it in a directory, we always know where to save <[TOT]Maverick> erm the UI gets more graphically as development moves on? yes <[TOT]Maverick> nice <[TOT]Maverick> is a graphical indocator like the one in winamp possible when playing a song? <[TOT]Maverick> The current one of the archos is just for left-right... it's not easy, since we don't unpack the data ourselves <[TOT]Maverick> ah <[TOT]Maverick> that does the dsp yes <[TOT]Maverick> ok so no chance there I wouldn't say no chance, but it's not straight-forward <[TOT]Maverick> I noticed something when text is scrolling at a faster speed... <[TOT]Maverick> Its like the effect on a TFT screen <[TOT]Maverick> when something moves fast yeah, trail <[TOT]Maverick> But never seen that on a LCD before. <[TOT]Maverick> is that normal? yes. lcd screens are inherently slow <[TOT]Maverick> gameboy didnt have that "feature" :) maybe their screen was faster <[TOT]Maverick> But its nice to set your own speed <[TOT]Maverick> great work there thanks <[TOT]Maverick> Will you implement functions like renaming, moving an so on? why dont you look on the webpage it lists the wishlist of features yes, probably. but it's a bit in the future <[TOT]Maverick> @data: I look at the page every day just to mention. every day? man, thats bad * Bagder made the build go yellow... fixing... booo! :) <[TOT]Maverick> I like the site <[TOT]Maverick> Every day something new :) or you have "issues" ironi made the design, I make everything else :) yeah I try to keep it interesting <[TOT]Maverick> It IS <[TOT]Maverick> But there is one thing i miss since ver 1.0 what is that? <[TOT]Maverick> The Status of the single parts we need a new table with new parts i remember when i first saw the rockbox logo.. heh, i though it was a guy humping the "R" well we don't really have that kind of progress anymore. most new features affect many parts <[TOT]Maverick> hmmm we could still list things we want, what we work on and what isn't worked on Bagder: true <[TOT]Maverick> yeah thats what i mean <[TOT]Maverick> the user doesnt interest what is REALLY done wherever <[TOT]Maverick> BTW² will it be possible in the future to make mods or plugins? no, we'll always make whole apps <[TOT]Maverick> ok we do plan a boot selector, though but we'll do different apps <[TOT]Maverick> So you have to make a nice (and nice looking hehe) app :) well, with the proper help and feedback, we'll end up there <[TOT]Maverick> I am always there if you are in need of ideas * Bagder enables picky warnings in the simulator builds now <[TOT]Maverick> But as you already know i cant "really" help you because of my non existing c knowledge we're talking YELLOW ;-) <[TOT]Maverick> huh? ideas are help too on the build status page <[TOT]Maverick> ah hehe --- dwihno is now known as dwihno|metting --- dwihno|metting is now known as dwihno|meeting phew, only 2 warnings turned up ;-) daily build page extra feature soon coming --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox hey elinenbe hey Zagor: boo! Zagor: here? ok, then I'll go for a cup a coffee ;-) back check the compile stat table suggestion on the link? a - instead of space and link to a subdir that I can symlink to your dir hm ok I prefer to use %20 and keep the same space it is the same time stamp ok name of your symlink? cvslog ? cvsmod maybe? there it should link to my output dir where are your files? /home/dast/rockbox-auto/output ok works neato the dump shows the last 25 minutes it makes 5 minute overlap hmm, is that what we want? well, entirely without overlap tends to be with gap instead this is just time-based yes, but can't you look at the time and minimise the gap? it will get confusing when one change is in two status logs I can minimize it, sure but since I select based on time, I either risk overlap or gap, making it *perfect* is not really realistic 20 minutes and 30 seconds now oh .txt I guess --- dwihno|meeting is now known as dwhino --- dwhino is now known as dwihno yeah that's probably a good idea :) btw, I believe the x11 simulator runs threads wrong yeah? yeah, they run simultaneously ooh, bad my mutex trick isn't used I wanted to add the tick_counter in yield, and then I noticed that yield is never used! hehe hellö hellö I say hellö You say goodbye I say hellö * dwihno is a beatle today beetle Nope beatle * Zagor squishes dwihno :) This is Windows for you...'found out that significant part of time is spent ... In this function "select" is used with a timeout value of 1 micro second' 1 us turns out to be a "significant part" of time Zagor: You are so nasty! Nasty boy! that must be one helluva implementation ;-) Bagder: aren't they saying that since it times out so quickly it gets called very frequently? no this is a libcurl thing I use it only once ok but it "significantly" slows windows operations down haha I can't but to laugh curl? sounds gay ;) doesn't most things to you? ;-) curl groks ;-) you are sitting WAY TOO MUCH in front of the computer screen :) no, I'm not doing it enough! * Zagor is starting go get mutt to behave to can mutt use different "roles" when replying etc? haven't gotten that far yet :) i think so, though. there's a lot of hooks everywhere you can use Zagor: Hey, are you becoming a dwihno?! :) mutt are belongs to us! Mutt is evil software! :) custom keybindings is a must rhough yeah they are. i'm just checking out if it's better than pine. --> elinenbe2 (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox Well It takes a while to get accustomed to it (as everything else) yes ROROROROROOOCKBOOOOX! Fa l ala * dwihno has gotten 0xc0ffee into the veins <-- [TOT]Maverick has quit () Coffee is for the mind, what viagra is for the dick <-- elinenbe has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.8 [Mozilla rv:1.1a/20020611]") --- elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe <-- plmirc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) heh, the scrolling looks worse when I "fix" the threading ;-) in the simulator that is Any ideas why it flickers on the recorder? you mean when scrolling? nay, when going across pages --> jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox hi jedix hey what are you guys working on today? * Bagder fixes threading in the simulator, cursor on recorder, cvs logs on the site nothing else ;-) hehe cool I should probably update my cvs Zagor: 'current_tick' is now in the simulator * Bagder broke the win32 simulator build just now Yay! :D you rule Bagder * dwihno just got a project finished yay! was that the 5 of 5 then? yay = yet another youser not really :) I got 2 new :) heh One step forward, two steps back, ya'know :) So now I'm gonna spend some time configuring a computer (for purchase, that is) Pentium 4 - M Supreme Performance Yum The volume bar should be a numerical value instead of a bar in Rockbox (just a thought) I often don't care for either way I use up/down without any visual feedback me too but it's just a thought the most useless feature: the L/R volume bars indeed all builds are now *green* yay! :D even with the extra warning flags? yeps now, coffee break cools0r --> edx (OKE60@pD9EABAF8.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox hi Howdy edx! :D http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/se/sve/dhs/products/model_inspn_inspn_8200.htm, whaddya think? Has Linus started working on the decoder chip on the recorder? CVS archoses should show build date next to 'CVS' (the logo) @ dell inspiron.. looks cool :) What's the difference between SXGA+, UXGA, and enhanced UXGA? ugh.. don't ask me :? * dwihno wants to run rockbox on his recorder but just tetris won't do it atm ;) dwihno: toshiba 5105-s607 (better deal) elinenbe: I'm no rich ass dude! is there any firewire / usb2 converter? :) do you know what the difference between UXGA, SXGA and stuff is? hey elinenbe, wake up :) <-- Zagor has quit ("bye") elinenbe: don't ya' know? hey edx edx: I believe I broke the win32 simulator build I am here hellö :) Do you know the diff between SXGA and UXGA? and does 32 vs 64 meg gfx memory make a difference? SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) Is it only the resolution that is the diff? I mean, they still maintain the same aspect ratio 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution 1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution 1280x1024 SXGA sorry uxga 1600x1200 (the best) Extended UXGA, what's so special about that? no idea. I'll skip the floppy, it's outaged anywayhs that is just uxga. what do you have? me? UXGA How is it for quake? ): :) I find those terms silly 32 megs of memore -- nvidia geforce go I have 1800x1440, I don't ave no silly acronym ;-) i dont play quake, but fifa world cup runs sooo nicely :)~ FIFA is addictive! My combinations are really fancy on my old desktop I ran 1920x1440 pass, pass, SCOOOORE! :) actually, I usually have just 1600x1200 the mobile ATI actually has better benchmarks but You have 32 megs in your computer? the nvidia is soo mcuh better due to the drivers, etc. 32 megs video ram but more is always better Of course :) matrox matrox is not known for games. But unless you run 3d-games at a high res, 32 meg should be sufficient, right? yeah Matrox is a killer for 2D it is fine here. (with high-res, I mean, REALLY HIGH-RES) :) Matrox has great stuff for 2d yeah yeah. matrox ownz the 2D market they have been excellent for ages still are i can run my laptop at max 1600x1200, AND an external monitor at 2048x1536 TAKE THAT! hehe its usually not the card that limits the resolution these days I was just about to mention that but I have no external monitor anymore -- how do you think I paid for the laptop :) that is so true. my old TNT card boasted with 3000xsomething resolution some of the 64 meg cards can do that too. 4400x3300 who the @$!#*& has a montiro THAT large? And then the question is, who the heck uses such a high resolution? :) Computer analphabets I know of such a person :) and he is a computer analphabet does anyone here use cgywin? cygwin. I used to Then I started using mingw is that better or something? UT - 15" TFT UXGA (1600x1200) mingw uses the MS native C lib cygwin uses some kind of unix emulation layer that's the diff s/uses/is/ s/uses/comes with/ or whatever ;) ahh... that doesn't effect me. $2250 is the final pricetag including delivery eww I paid 2299 for mine That's like... 3 luxorious trips true Whoa * dwihno stops for a second, what the hell am I about to do?! WIAT WAIT read this: http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-2645880-7-1454141.html?tag=prmo ah you got the topmost? well, it only cost 2299, and yours costs nearly the same "I receieved my toshiba 5105-S607 as a gift from my sister last month" How sick isn't that what!! I had to sweep up elephant shit for 4 months for mine. I've been working for 6 months to acquire the bonus --- edx is now known as edx|away I work for the circus Noway! :) finally he is out of here! just kidding You're the bearded lady? :) yeah.. Ringling Brothers elin en beard also known ;D no... I was the elephant caretaker At least you got a kickass laptop now! ): ):Ö :) I guess. delivery is 7-10 work days if you have seen the pounds of shit I cleaned up, you would think again... yeah, I guess elephants do produce quite a lot of shit Badger: where do you live? Stockholm, Sweden I'm being torn apart between 32 or 64 megs of graphics memory what is the cost difference? well, remember a laptop is really NEVER upgradable. so what you buy now, you should expect to be happy with for at least 3 or 4 years. $70 it is probably better to shell out a little more now. If you get the 32 megs and you are not happy, then what do you do? true you are a wise man (or, bearded lady, if you prefer that) ;) new games. I read an article about how it is better to buy the best alptop that you can afford because it will last that much longs longer Where did you gain your wisdom? I guess scoping elephant shit leaves a lot of time to do philosophical thinking from the bearded lady. haha :) 512 megs of RAM 1,6 GHz 1600x1200 UXGA but no cd-rw fishy thing ... and Linux 2.4.18? ;-] * Bagder giggles :) I'll keep a dualboot thingy what kind of built in network cards are there on these babies? realtek? intel? you're the one buying this i dont know. elinenbe: what's in yours? Badger: you run linux -- right? yepso all the time well, I run a 10 node cluster here :) just kidding. Internal combo 56k modem / 10/100 network whoa elinenbe: what NIC is in your box? I have no clue. I run win xp on my laptop. that is what came on it. ah mkay check? :) I am not going to bother changing all this shit. i run linksys wireless. cool :) wireless is sleek & sexy I do all my programming on sun machines here anyway I guess... Time to do a final check before proceeding to the order part I'm off for today, I'll come by tomorrow... see ya <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox He left :( Nobody left psy is left and the bearded lady have you compiled the firmware yet? I have a question. Sorry, I don't :/ haven't there the order has been placed did you use the 25% OFF code from techbargains.com? nay there is no cupon.. I'm just having some fun :-) I thought you were I just hope I will get the computer soon At least, the order has been placed. --> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox tjoho ironin! ironi: now I've ordered the new computer! :D yay x 10 <-- ironi has quit ("changing servers kano!15beta8") --> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox lalala hi all your UI man is here =) where? * dwihno looks around I can't see anything Well, I'm off for the weekend --- dwihno is now known as dwihno|weekender ironi: have you done anything with the UI yet? elinenbe: well no =) I can suggest changes and let ppl who know more implement them hehe oh.... I see I can do that too :) --> mecraw (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has joined #rockbox when I am compiling the firmware. I get an error... drivers/button.c: In function `button_tick': drivers/button.c:70: `NULL' undeclared (first use in this function) can anyone help me <-- ironi has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) --> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox music of the day (MOTD) : cd1-12-armand_van_helden-why_cant_you_free_some_time_(-lbe.mp3 <-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <-- elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has left #rockbox --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinenbe has quit (Client Quit) --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox --- dwihno|weekender is now known as dwihno <-- elinenbe has quit (Client Quit) --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox --> gringo (~gringo@200.201.248.120) has joined #rockbox <-- gringo has quit ("Client Exiting") <-- elinenbe has quit ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") --- dwihno is now known as dwihno|weeender <-- mecraw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --- dwihno|weeender is now known as dwihno|weekender <-- jedix has quit ("Client Exiting") --> mecrawnicknack (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has joined #rockbox --> g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has joined #rockbox YO! dang... everyone is sleeping or working :/ whats up? --> BIGDave (~chatzilla@modem-847.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #rockbox <-- BIGDave has quit (Remote closed the connection) --- edx|away is now known as edx|sleep heya adi --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox heya elinenbe hey there. you are compiling under cygwin -- right? yeah can you step me through it really fast. when you install cygwin do what options did you check? I could not get it to compile today -- it told me I was missing the header files. string.h stdio.h etc... oh did you install gcc with cygwin? yeah I should not do that -- right? no. what packages should I select? you need gcc to get to the cross compiled one I don't think it's a package issue string.h is standard lib well, then binutils asks for a cc compiler? yeah I know. you may have to mod that make for binutils then how did you do it? I'm trying to recall the steps in my crusty brain here :D I'm not near my install I am going to do a default cygwin install... yeah but I encountered the cc problem you had oh. I should install cygwin without gcc -- right? I know I have a solution. I believe I edited the makefile and changed CC=cc to CC=gcc oh... ok no you need an initial gcc to get things done then I should install gcc? yeah then you update it when you do Zagor's instructions ok, so I am installing cygwin default, with gcc don't forget make as well :D ok. which make. the make proggy I am just doing the standard configure/make/make install I'm sure it installs by default well, I will tell you. the missing string.h is probably a pathing issue you're having well, it was there in /usr/include yeah but on mine it wouldn't find it with cygwin for some reason I had to put it right into the makefiles that required it then compiles worked what do you mean you had to put it right into the make file? the path? yeah -I/usr/include then compiles worked oh... ok well, that is all I think I needed to do then for some reason it doesn't pick it up oh ok well then try that :D everything was compiling okay, except that. oh then you're far enough along that it's probably that bit I haven't gone back to shell setup to figure it out as it's easy enough to put that extra include in the Makefiles. brb <-- elinenbe has quit ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox boy it takes faaaar too long for archos' firmware to load just the first 999 tracks of my wholedisk playlist heh I think the rockbox version takes too long heh oh yeah? yeah! 2 seconds is WAY too long :) hehe yeah I am just kidding well the new technology the rockbox firmware is quite nice based on precessional resonance did you do the playlist code? and subatomic manipulations rather than interatomic motions will be much more capable than our current "electronic" technology is I see... me code? hah... i play with code sometimes... i even write some interesting things... but i don't really code :p --> elinenbe2 (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --- elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe psyco- does the rockbox code actually play the songs in the playlist for you? not last i tried ok then I'm not crazy I compiled last night, but no go on playing the songs but it sure as heck loaded te playlist fast :D hehe yeah I'll have to update my code tonight to see if something got submitted. <-- g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has left #rockbox <-- mecrawnicknack has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") <-- edx|sleep has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) --> edx|sleep (OKE60@pD9EAB0B2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox --- dwihno|weekender is now known as dwihno --- dwihno is now known as dw|gone <-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox --- edx|sleep is now known as edx <-- edx has quit ("be right back") --> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB0B2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox --- Tumm is now known as Tum|sova <-- edx has quit ("restart") <-- PsycoXul has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) --> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB0B2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox <-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox --> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox hey Bagder hey ho just got up? no hi as well :) Heh I got up, and breafast was served, total luxury. hey edx My gf is visiting, heh. *practical* my wife took off for the rest of the day ;-) hehe, sounds like you can sit in front of the computer without hearing "Will you ever get off that thing?" heheh, exactly I know that feeling "Can't you just let it go when I'm here" ... with references to the fine weather etc ;-) hehe well i hear the weather rocks in sthlm the last days here it's crap the last week hey I made 26 changes in the last daily build alone we should get the guys work more ;-) * edx stares on his feet hehe * dw|gone is _NOT_ here ;) the win32 build broke, didn't it? huh? I think I broke it didnt try (even more staring to my feet) * Bagder pleads guilty congrats :P http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/daily/changes-20020615.txt read the first change mentioned ;-) LOL *compiling* one unresolved external... :) what file is this/ ? current_tick, right? sure hehe what file is it in and what shall it do? I "fake" it, check uisim/x11/thread.c just increase it every now and then ;-) k in target it is incremented by the timer interrupt in what timespan is the interrupt called I'm not sure, but it might be something like 50ms between when do you increase it? on yield() and on sleep() I just add 3 in yeild and 5 in sleep() aha just to make it continue "growing" ill set up a timer :) hmm this is a variable or a function (just a variable, right?) you could do that, if you think that'll be more fun ;-) just a variable, yes more code more fun lol hehe where is current_tick declared (header file..)? kernel.h (ok.. works) neato hey cool.. the scroll character for the recorder changed. nice yeah I never liked using only a minus for the player its a questionmark on the simulator... is that correct ?! yes we should fix that too it's a special character on the target ok we just don't have that in the simulator charset seen the new link on the compile status table too? .. no? it makes it easy to see which changes that were committed just before the automatic build changelog you mean? that is great no I meant down in the "CVS compile status" table the "batch" dates are now links cool.. it colors warnings :) yeps .. could you do me a favour? sure, what? http://codeforce.d2g.com/new/ this page.. does it look ok in linux? (heh.. i registered a channel on openprojects.net as well lol... this irc is really useful) looks fine ok.. thanks --- edx is now known as edx|eating --- edx|eating is now known as edx --- edx is now known as edx|eating * Bagder commits --- edx|eating is now known as edx broken my build again?! hehe heh, no, I made it nicer ;-) fixed the cursor on the simulated player (my build?!) hehe... ah cool thats good should work fine for you too hmm we should add win32 simulator for the daily page :) but i see no way how this would be possible :/ there's no x11 simulator build daily either only automaticly for the build status one maybe that's what you meant? yea but theres a report for the sim yes it's easy to build automaticly and why is there a P-Old sim.. thats the same as p-sim, right? hehe, yes it should be pretty much exactly the same ;-) (why is tehre a p-old at all.. its only one step) p-old has a different lcd oh.. ok that's why maybe i could provide a daily build page for the win32 simulator on my server. sure! but i couldn't get it update automatically i guess (i could update it everytime i change something) but then we won't see it break if someone else change something... hmm yea the problem is that my server doesnt have visual studio installed... .. well i have an idea.. but it needs a testing.. maybe i could get it to work it would need to checkout, compile, generate a webpage... that's gets less and less a problem the more i think about it be right back. --- edx is now known as edx|brb :-) --- edx|brb is now known as edx Bagder: I am trying to get things compiled on my server now, if it works, i'll set up a page which updates hourly and contains the last 24 compilation reports cool! i hope it work if i just copy some files and dont intsall visual studio * Bagder writes new screen savers ;-) YAY! :D hehe hey, I *am* an old demo coder ;-) lol .. write the sine wave for rockbox hehe I do! cool :) screensave should be activated automatically after 5 mins of non-action lol right now, I have a 'R' that flies around the screen in a circle ;-) hehe Whoa evil stuff ): ): ): :) <-- is mongo today it looks pretty cool flies around? yeah, "ROCKbox" all letters independently cool :) on a sine wave I guess I'll have to see it for myself I'll check the build on monday morning hm, I wonder if I can make the rockbox logo be in the background... hehe :) demo coding for the archos perfect for some wild compo ;) hahaha Well, at least, the music is not a problem ;) <-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> webmind_ (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) has joined #rockbox <-- webmind has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) it does require some minor lcd fixes... :-) * Bagder jumps in time to try on target * dw|gone is trying to focus on the code, and not on the fact that he's hungry like a wolf rock! http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/ *yawn* I'll test it, just for your sake ;) hehe it is just totally useless, but its fun ;-) I'm considering a game now ;-) what about fixing broken code? :) nah, not as fun hehe like what code are you referring to? dunno :) Sometimes it locks when I start fiddling with the volume hahaha you are really sick :) * Bagder grins really neat :) and they fly! ;-) How come the directory browsing is 100 times faster with rockbox? no idea I mean, when entering new dirs they must be doing something terrible yeah and the scroller still scrolls when going across dirs :) If the LCD flickering stops and we get mp3 decoding, I'll start using it rightaway :) I agree pok?mon instead of pokémon with our playlist support too, it'll be a killer yeah yeah, we have no such letter aren't you using the built in font? there is no built-in on the recorder ah... 100% "home made" ;-) ah, that's why it's butt ugly ;) * Bagder nods 5x7 in a 6x8 space? yes Less than 7 pixels vertical will not look good, but I guess it's possible to narrow it down a bit horizontally Yes, at least some letters The main issue is long filenames !¤"#! archos firmware won't even show the entire filenames ,) is it possible to have 2+ simultaneous scrollers? edx: around? dw|gone: oh sure with the current code, thatis how do you keep the scroller running while accessing the disk at the same time? we use several threads the scrolling is in its own thread Do you think the archos firmware has threading? I don't think so but they could and perhaps have other limits on their threads than we do how big is the firmware without the padding atm? lemme check hm I don't quite get the map file mkay well, approx 20k? when loaded, we use 4de4c ram 320k do you know how much the original firmware uses? no I guess I could figure out by checking my dissassembly anyway, included in those 320K is our malloc heap etc currently we have no code that use malloc() ;-) the code is about 32700 bytes in this recorder build ouch, yellow alert! Badger: you want to program a game -- try sokoban :) hehehe I'm thinking pong... what is sokoban? what about arkanoid? :) http://verde666.org/sed/sokoban/ and has Linus started looking on the decoder chip? its written using 'sed' yes * dw|gone is like a kid in a candy store Rockbox already rocks without any music ;D erhgm With a screenshot, I STILL DON'T understadn sokoban :) its just the ultimate geek thing, to write a game using a tool meant for search/replace aaaah :) I see I never played it ;-) I test it now :) There was a port for gameboy called boxxle fancy :) Darn 16:00 I should finish what I'm working on and go homo home ;) hah freudian slip? ;-) hehe dunno how many entries does the playlist support by default? you mean non-rockbox? no, rockbox :) 10000 Does anyone of you know Java a little? mkay edx: euuh, a little, yes ;-) great :D I'll test loading a huge playlist Bagder: what does thius line do: dw|gone: Björn has 40GB, he has no more than 5500 songs ;-) inURL = new URL(getCodeBase(), infile); it constructs a url ok thats what i know as well.. what will the url look like? codebase sounds JSP'ish I dunno if it does some base64 encoding too perhaps ahhh .. i think i got it. thanks heh.. thanks for nothing ;) edx: .. eeeeh... uuuuh. "win32 simulator break alert" :-) is there any way I can add a file to your build? is rockbox capable of building playlists by itself yet? no we don't even have the write() function enabled aah smart yeah, its for safety we have no functions for altering disk contents yet I like the boot speed of rockbox * Bagder agrees Would be neat to know what exactly the archos firmware does that takes so much time yes it is possible we might need to do a few of those things too in the future any ideas of what? it shows the disk label as a file btw I have no clue really, I just mean that we haven't quite investigated everything yet "INSANITY.!" true, true it's not possible to switch it off with the power cord in no Time to check how fast it loads a 3000 track playlist whoa it interprets #-lines as files yes right I fix do they all start with # in the first column? yeah winamp-style it loads the playlist FAAAAAAAST! :D In just a couple of seconds about 1000 songs per second that is many many times faster than the built-in hehe yeah 1 song per second is the firmware default ;) or perhaps 10 but that's not close to 1000 ;) it is an amazingly huge diff actually what happens when the unit runs of battery? with rockbox firmware, that is it dies ;-) I mean run out of battery just running on battery is no diff than with power cord I just wonder if there is some kind of shutdown procedure required not to harm the hard disk well I think we should try to do that, yes # support added yay ;D is the directory browser 100%? I mean, showing every file and such yes, there's a maximum amount of files in a single dir I believe though I have a dir with 4 dirs and 1 pls it didn't show the pls m3u ! what is the playlist called? Everything.m3u in my dir "Electronica" weird and it happens all the time? nope only once now it shows " - Der Sinn d" instead of Welle erdball ok Der Sinn des Lebens is a subdir in "Welle erdball" hm oops I just caused a hang I wonder if there's some bug in the target dir read code Trying to load a m3u with \ in the filename argh it's a live it died while loading the playlist? it died for a lot of seconds then it began to live again * elinenbe decide to go run 100 miles while gcc builds... and then MAYBE it will be done. hehe, yeah it can take a while ;-) not as long as anything that is qt/kde heheh koffice took forever on a 2x1500mhz pc luckily, rockbox builds blazingly fast ;-) :) Badger: if I want to add " -I/usr/include " to the makefile, where would I put it? firmware/Makefile and apps/Makefile I am compiling under cygwin and for some reason it does not find the header files. yeah, but how do I add it into the makefile? both of them have a line like "INCLUDES=" where you can add that extra -I if this is a problem to more people, we could probably fix this better the apps makefiles does, but the tools/makefile does not. It is for anyone compiling under cygwin not tools, firmware g003y had this problem hm, ok too I think I know the fix for this problem we must add header files to our project, since we don't use newlib anymore that could be the thing you build without newlib, right? yeah I did not donload it or anything. so that's it we need to supply a bunch of headers ourselves huff.. when I do a make all I get this garbage Eric@VIOLET ~/rockbox-daily-20020615/tools $ make all make -C ../firmware TARGET=-DARCHOS_RECORDER NODEBUG=1 OBJDIR="/home/Eric/rockbo x-daily-20020615/tools" make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/firmware' Updating dependencies for thread.c Updating dependencies for system.c system.c:19:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory Updating dependencies for settings.c settings.c:20:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory Updating dependencies for panic.c panic.c:20:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory and more and more of that... it can not find the standard header files at all right, that's why we need to provide our own is there any way around this for me? did you add -I/usr/include in the firmware/Makefile ? yeah hold on... I added a /usr/includes by mistake ah in tools I did a 'make clean' make all and then still get an error... this is witht the most recent tarball make[1]: sh-elf-a: Command not found make[1]: *** [/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/tools/librockbox.a] Error 127 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/firmware' make: *** [firmware] Error 2 ! in tools? I am just doing a make clean make install in the toold directory <-- that should build everything -- right? hm but the make gives me that error. did you run the configure script in the tools directory? yeah I'll do that again to make sure everything is cool you should rather create a separate build directory and run the configure script there ok mkdir ../build; cd ../build; ../tools/configure I get the same thing "sh-elf-a: command not found" is your PATH setup to include the dir with the sh-gcc tools? lemme check I followed the direction on the web page... the path should be something like "~/sh1/bin" well, that is in the path make sure it is $HOME/ and not ~/ or full path it is $HOME acutally the full path ok in /sh1/bin I do not have a sh-elf-a, I have sh-elf-ar and sh-elf-as though yeah but if you check the Makefile, it uses as and ar only ok seems to be the ar line that goes wrong it compiles all c source first, doesn't it? the ar line in the makefile is messed up; AR = sh-elf-a that is what it says in the Makefile? yeah, all the C code is great yeah your Makefile must've been ruined somehow in firmware/Makefile should be -ar well, I just got it from the tarball... odd I'll check the tarball i just checked it -- it is there I must have messed oit up. ah, ok thanks for the help no problems now my enviroment is all nice :) there we go... we'll sort out the include problem too no problem. it works fine with the include added to the makefile. Is that not an ok solution? sure its ok when it makes it annoying if you wanna update often s/when/but one last thing: how do I compile the scramble.c file? when you ran configure in that dir, the original Makefile was overwritten. Get the orginal one back and run make in there ok will do. Badger: thanks so much, everything is going great goodie --> elinenbe2 (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- edx has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB0B2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox bbl <-- Bagder has quit ("http://daniel.haxx.se") <-- Wettoad has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> wettoad (~wettoad@uludag.mbi-berlin.de) has joined #rockbox --- dw|gone is now known as dwihno|weekender --- Tum|sova is now known as Tumm --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox heya --> E0x-down (moya@31stb59.codetel.net.do) has joined #rockbox <-- E0x-down (moya@31stb59.codetel.net.do) has left #rockbox --> PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-41-245.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox <-- Tumm has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) --> Tumm (coyote@dreamhosted.borlange.se) has joined #rockbox --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox heya bagder hey ho nice work on that include issue thanks, but we're not quite there yet ;-) does the -I/to/whatever still need to be added to the makefiles? yes, I didn't really change this yet ahhhh ok I'm only preparing well at least you figured out the prob All I knew was the -I fixed it for me :D :-) but I figured it was cygwin being all dumb on win32 so is your "play-screen" coming anywhere? well I haven't done a ton of work recently. I did get setup on source forge basically right now I can compile to choose between a file scroll or id3 display though I'm looking into modding the settings to store it and make it user selectable user settable is nice then I will add a 3rd set of logic that will attempt to pull apart directory/filename for information so it looks id3 ish remember that we can't yet store anything on disk yup I see the writes still return 1l without doing anything :D hehe so what I will do now is make the default option switchable on compile then ppl will just be able to change it on the fly if they need to sounds fine question for ya do the playlists actually play? yes dang.... for some reason I can't get mine going it scans it and just sits there oh I tried making with vi, a script and winamp nothing worked for me as of a couple days ago well, to tell you the truth, I wrote the code but I have a recorder so I can't really try it on target yet ;-) hahahahahahahaha well I haven't really debugged into it, but the logic looks correct we might need to get someone with gdb to look at it yeah I've just been "printfing" to the screen for debugging output :D yeah, and the simulators are usually pretty good too to try stuff on but not when it comes to actual mp3 playback I haven't gotten mine to succesfully compile yet so like the old COBOL days.... I try to get it right on the first try :D the win32 one? yeah but it's probably just me I wouldn't know, I've never tried ;-) I'm on the x11 one the x11 seems to have more compile directions I got it to compile once when I first got the firmware. though now... eh. I just outright forgot how I managed it I'll have to try again. it would be neat to get a cygwin version Makefile for the win32 simulator oh hey. there it goes with current ok I was being a llame :D llama that is cute.... I need to compile the player version though yes it should be possible ok so it pulls apps logic from the apps directory right? yes good no screwing around then :D the apps should run pretty much unaltered in target and simulators _should_ hehehehheh the true beauty of C :D right, we can never be completely sure hey, I wrote my flying rockbox this afternoon all in simulator worked on first attempt on target flying rockbox? you should see it ;-) kind of a screensaver, totally useless you mean the logo? ha that will only work on the recorder right? no, the text Rockbox flying around on sine waves yes hhahahahah... cool. if you get the simulator working, you'll see it ;-) Badger: will that be included in the tarball tonight? hm, no that is a shame or what did you mean? the includes right? no, your sine rockbox ah, that'll be included yeah only the important stuff first :D hehe I am building a sokoban clone. I will get it done within a day or two. we could pretend it is useful as it tests the lcd functions properly ;-) yeah :) hey I think it's cool so it needs to be included anyway :D g003y: everything is up and running great under cugwin here... Badger helped me earlier today. coool what was the last you needed to do? I had to add the included to the Makefiles. that was about it. yeah thats what I was saying yesterday a -I/usr/include right? ya good deal. good to see you're up & running I am partially throguh a sokoban clone but, it is slow as I am running everything on the target. I am not able to compile the simulator. I just got it to compile from current myself how were you able to do that? I sync to cvs tree the windows simulator? ah... but what did you use to compile? yeah I just tried with the latest source --- elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe nmake from a dos window oh I have vc installed with all the paths so uh heh nobody's interested in writing a proper text viewer for the player's huh? so do I, but no nmake. a text viewer should be really simple to write you probably don't have all the paths registered in your environment for dos yeah it should be... i haven't had much luck with it though heh you need to run the vcvars.bat which is somehere in the vc install dir then run nmake in the uisimulator->win32 dir ok I will try that :) text viewer? like a text file? yeah joc- why? what you doing? huh? wanting to view text files? heh yeah but just for the heck of it? no... for the ability to read books i've got on my archos while listening to music on it heh ahhhhhhhh I still can't run nmake. thats some small text though. you'll be scrolling from here to kingdom come yes well you only really need 1 line... yeah but you'd only get some many characters wide on that display i figure it'd be pretty usable if it scrolled by word except for words >11 chars heh heheh yeah you could scroll it, but I bet after all the work it wouldn't really be usable in that sense nah i've played with a few different methods for it --- edx is now known as edx|sleep and even scrolling by char isn't unusable hmmm ok you're a freak :D heh yeah though a text viewer could be used in many interesting wayts on the recorder it could be neat VI for Archos :D but i'm just a lousy coder who can't really do it "proper" with good memory management and such like that yeah the recorder has the kind of display you could pull it off with yeah well doesn't archos' firmware for the recorder already display text? i read it did... hm, perhaps it does ;-) I haven't tried it i figured the best player text viewer would have selectable modes like a 'less' style mode that gives an 11x2 window and lets you scroll around yeah true a book mode that goes by-word scrolling etc and a bookmark feature would also be handy but unfortunately my skills as a coder aren't such that i know how about going about such a thing... heh well you'd need a buffer and a file handle to get yourself started :D I think it should scroll automaticly and you'd only control the speed and pause/play yup the scroll api is really nice my attempts at just making a simplistic by-word scrolling viewer with no fancy features have been nasty little pieces that didn't really work heh Bagder: thats a good idea save a lot of wear on the buttons heh yeah and fingers you'd only make it run as fast as you wanna read, and then lean back ;-) or lean in :D heh but what is memory availability like for other tasks while mp3's are playing? well you're only looking at one line of text right? the mp3 buffers are never available to anyone else, so the situation is the same all the time you shouldn't eat up much memory doing it. yeah it would need *some* to prevent it from reading from disk all the time but we don't wanna keep reading from disk all the time either well you will need an optimal character buffer how fast can a person read? how many words a minute do an average? but you're gonna have to take the hit on disk read anyway 200-300? Bagder: i dunno, i think it varies pretty widely I guess just trying to estimate buffers... :-) there's also going backwards.. sometimes you just gotta go back and re-read something, or maybe you missed a word, etc and i dunno how to handle that sorta stuff with buffers heh like nicely anyways you would need to define what going back means 1 line or word at a time? *shrug* i guess going backwards would probably be good going a whole line or so back per backwards press the way i see it maybe as far as the interface is in autoscrolling the - decreases speed and + increases it, and then play/pause does just that, and in pause mode -/+ might jump backwards/forwards a line.. or something not a bad idea that could work ok, should it just output one word at a time, or try to "fill up" ? well i think it should try to fill at least 1 line... and 2 if there's a single word that is >11 letters? for book purposes i don't really see the need for filling both lines.. i played with that a bit and it didn't really improve readability gotta idle yeah the 2nd line could also display something like i dunno possition or some useful thing most of the time, and a long-word wrap around like you said would probably be good true bookmarking could probably be just storing an offset somewhere.. like maybe a similarly named file that you could then select to go to its stored spot in the text file or something? ... yes but i suppose thats gotta wait for writing heh :-) so should the buffer be a fixed size or maybe scale with scrollspeed or something? fixed probably easiest and probably good enough * Bagder has an embryo now wow ok, it works a little now I added it to CVS it isn't actually used yet though night <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox bagder has an embryo? interesting. hehe I idle for a little while and you guys get him pregnant? yep well you helped i think hahaha I'm not paying child support. I was tricked :D hehe but hey its cool textshow.c did you get it working? i haven't tried it just looked at it for the first time a second ago heh looks like much cleaner code than anything i've tried to do heh heh <-- Tumm has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- PsycoXul has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- g003y has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- wettoad has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- edx|sleep has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- Hadaka has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- datazone has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- PiotR has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) --> Tumm (coyote@dreamhosted.borlange.se) has joined #rockbox --> PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-41-245.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox --> wettoad (~wettoad@uludag.mbi-berlin.de) has joined #rockbox --> edx|sleep (OKE60@pD9EAB0B2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox --> datazone ([Vx3r6U9xN@207.136.36.203) has joined #rockbox --> PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox --> Hadaka (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) has joined #rockbox --> edx|disconnected (OKE60@pD9EAA0BA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox <-- edx|sleep has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox --- edx|disconnected is now known as edx --- edx is now known as edx|away <-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox <-- edx|away has quit ("be back later") --> Lear (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) has joined #rockbox Hi, gave a rockbox nightly build a test spin. Now, how do I turn it off? :) plug the archos into the computer, then turn it on and then remove the file optionally copy in a normal firmware from archos if you don't want to use the flashrom one To turn it on, I need to turn it off first... That's the problem. And nothing happens when I plug in the USB cable. err, unplug the charger cable and then hold the off button for a second or two then plug in the USB cable (not the charger cable) make sure that the USB cable is plugged in to the computer as well and then turn it on it should go into the USB mode and after that you can plug in the charger cabel ah, so the charger cable caused the problem. not very obvious, imho. :) well yes the problem being that the charger cable forces the jukebox to be on - so the hard power off doesn't work I found out that way before I got into rockbox - but someone should write something about that on the rockbox site like "How do I uninstall?" yeah, typical FAQ stuff. <-- Lear has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]") --> elinenbe2 (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> elinenbe (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinenbe2 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> edx|sleep (OKE60@pD9EAA0BA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox --- edx|sleep is now known as edx <-- edx has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- elinenbe has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- Hadaka has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- datazone has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- PsycoXul has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- Tumm has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- PiotR has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- wettoad has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- webmind_ has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- dwihno|weekender has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- jb1081 has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) <-- adi|work has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) --> edx (OKE60@pD9EAA0BA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox --> elinenbe (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox --> Hadaka (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) has joined #rockbox --> PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox --> datazone ([Vx3r6U9xN@207.136.36.203) has joined #rockbox --> wettoad (~wettoad@uludag.mbi-berlin.de) has joined #rockbox --> PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-41-245.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox --> Tumm (coyote@dreamhosted.borlange.se) has joined #rockbox --> webmind_ (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) has joined #rockbox --> jb1081 (~jb1081@lime.ircam.fr) has joined #rockbox --> dwihno|weekender (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) has joined #rockbox --> adi|work (~adiamas@pool-151-204-140-140.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined #rockbox --> elinenbe2 (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> Lear (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) has joined #rockbox is anyone here? yep --> elinenbe (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinenbe2 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) again, is anyone here. elinebe: guess you don't hear me then :) ah... by any chance do you have the win32 recorder dimulator compiled? nope, just tried rockbox today. :) oh... ok and I have a studio... thanks anyway --> elinenbe2 (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> elinenbe (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinenbe2 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) there seems to be some sort of bug with lcd_fillrect() at least it does not seem to work for me properly. (This is on the recorder) I get the LED light blinking. --> myshkin (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox c'est moi, adam, gidday * myshkin quaffs a Jolt cola :P what? <-- Lear has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]") <-- myshkin has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> green_ (~green@adsl-64-160-53-171.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox the h/d on my jukebox 6000 is messed up I got a h/d disk error while using it yesterday Neither Windows nor Linux can mount it. I thought I would just try reformating it... ..but I'm not sure how. if you cant mount it, then it will be quite hard to format it! I figured it out. mkfs.msdos -F 32 /dev/sdc1 I was missing the "-F 32" part. It's playing mp3 files again... phew! you sure the batteries weren't just low? PaycoXul: I am almost done with sokoban for the Rockbox (recorder only!) heh well good for you, and the recorder :p you know that game? i've heard of it, i don't recall what it is though finished my first beta hmmm - when I copy my files from Linux to mounted jukebox file names get truncated to 8.3. How do you avoid this/ ? --> noalavida (MASTest@121-MAD2-X70.libre.retevision.es) has joined #rockbox <-- noalavida has quit () --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox I must keep missing Zagor this weekend <-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox --> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox --> miah (~miah@pihkal.com) has joined #rockbox green_: are you mounting it as vfat or msdos? anyone who has a recorder can now plasy sokoban on it :) s/plasy/play PsycoXul: msdos should I use vfat? I just tried vfat. Much better! <-- edx has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> edx (OKE60@pD9EAA0BA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox edx!!! hey there. I need some helps can you send me a compiled win32 simulator? For some reason I can not get it to compile using nmake. .. why not (whats the error it gives you?) my msvc is messed up. it is nothing wrong with your package. it might not work at all hehe recorder or player compilation I just made a sokoban clone for the rockbox, and it is kind of a pain loading it onto the AJBR every time. I need both to tell you the truth ok wait a second you can either email or DCC are you behind a firewall (or a server) or can i send files via irc? I am behind a firewall, but it should work :() :) <-- edx has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> edx (OKE60@pD9EAA0BA.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox i am sorry.. i had to kill mirc no problem. do you get the request (if not i'll mail you) yeah I got the request, but I do not think the DCC is going to work just email them. that would be great adress? :) elinenbe@umich.edu there it goes... 256 kb if that is ok.. no prob. that is great where are you located? you did the sokoban :) yeah Germany it is fun has it been uploaded, yet? but you know what I just made it better. I put a dealy on key presses. It works more nicely where are you located? s/dealy/delay Ann Arbor, MI, USA and I can only have 4 levels. if I have more then 4 leves I get complie errors. i dont know sokoban... is it integratet into the source yet? no, but you can get it at my www page. what's the site's address? heh i just used PalmVNC cool stuff =) that is a cool program do you have a palm phone? but its sooo slow no i dont no i dont.. i have used vnc tho i have aplain old palm III www.umich.edu/~elinenbe/ajbrec.ajz how do I use the recorder? yup the simulator I mean how does it load the firmware? the firmware is compiled into it --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox oh but even through GPRS it's way too slow hey g003y i can make a compilation with your sokoba if you have source where a main function exists heya sokoban... hi see you got your clone working. unfortunately I don't have a recorder :( dont worry about it I will get it into the CVS do you have CVS access? only anonymous still I contacted Zagor, but haven't heard back hmm i'll compile sokoban for the simulator.. :) what's up with this clone? it works :D I just made a sokoban clone for the recorder. I think... now i know what sokoban is.. damn that rocks i compiled a win32 sim with it interested anyone? :) i'll put it on my webserver and post the address in the mailing list lol well, the sokoban is only 4 levels. I could not make it more. something about confliction addresses. hmm i like it very much it's a cool game! :) great design http://codeforce.d2g.com/rockbox/sokoban(win32sim).exe unforutnalely it doesnt seem to work at the moment (the address i mean) i have to leave now... good night see ya <-- edx has quit ("zzzZZZzzz") well hm id love to make an arkanoid game for the player oh yeah but is i tpossible to control the dots? the player is not as flexible as the record that way or is it just possible to use symbols int he different squares you could possibly do something like arkanoid on the player it would be much harder though yup so the player display only accepts symbols? i.e. i cant control every one of the ....lets say 9 dots in every char separately only accepts a set of valid characters as defined in the characters table I believe it's not bitmap based like the recorder hence why all these cool little games are happening for the recorder well, the characters are 7x9 or something likee that -- rihgt? but the player mod can play mp3s at least :D soemthing like that... I'd have to look at the code that is true, but soon so will the recorder. yeah anyword on that ? nothing definitly too bad archos didn't use the same chipsets. it would probably have it already then I think I might be making a demo on a recorder for a party that's sometime next year go for it. That would be great. I think I am going to do a vector engine. asteroids ! :D then you would have to do sin tables and stuff like that. maybe I won't do that... heheheheheehe starts to sound more like work than fun eh? --> elinenbe2 (~vircuser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox --- elinenbe2 is now known as elinenbe --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox netsplit love those. they are like virtual roller coaster rides :D hehe well i dont get very excited though :-P heheh w00t... my stuff almost works :D just a bit of tweaking on the string parsing and menu exit & done what is it that you are doing? making a user selectable mp3 play display the mod right now only does id3 I'm adding a couple more options to this one is scroll the filename ala classic firmware and two is more of a path parsing to pull out relevant information as well as maintain the option of id3 tag display is that just for recorder? no player I only have a player right now great i have player I may leave the recorder implementation up to someone else :D so can you pleas emake the recation on click when scrolling a bit delayed plus I will have to integrate this with playlist functionality once it's done as it is now its way too fast reaction i'd love to try what you have done to give you feedback I'm sure it could be tweaked, but I don't have ssh access to the tree did yeah I'll post it I just have to get the menu exit right. i haven't set up a compile environment, really :P maybe i should are you on win32? yup then it's as easy as Zagor's directions so long as you install cygwin i do have a linux box, but it's just 486 dx4/100 maybe too slow hahaha... wow been awhile since I've seen one of those I was considering vmware depends on how fast you want your mod file :D anyway I'm compiling on win32/cygwin myself i have it installed already yeah? well isnt it so much more convenient to do it in linux? it doesn't matter tome cygwin gives ya a bash shell from there it all feels the same works the same as well oh really you should have the same tools at your disposal as a linux install lemme see yup The new v0202 version now uses MinGW instead of Cygwin. should i get the new one then? huh? v0202 of what? gnush toolchain I don't use gnush toolchain but what then that is only another way to do it, but it was more difficult to setup IMO that is the instructions on the rockbox page ok tlel me what to do tell http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cross-gcc.html install cygwin then do that from the shell ok brb I belive edx is using the gnush toolkit elinenbe did it my way with success as well well really Zagor's way :D cygwin installer is a mess it's not that bad. you just have to select things ala the package menu well i dont knwo what i need now it froze ouch i dont understand a thing from the packae install prev curr exp previous current expected? but what? I go with current myself exp probably is experimental can i actually install X here? and run it under iwndows IDK... I don't do X I doubt it though ok well it wa sin the options it seems like one can install a complete linux system to run under windows well maybe you can, but I've never tried it nor have I known anyone to do it that wayy ok well ill skip it for now good choice :D oh i need ot get binutils and stuff you do all that after you install cgywin to get it updated you'll need to recompile gcc per his directions on the website. which means you will need gcc & make and all that installed you can get the tarballs for the stuff from Gnu. ok cygwin instaslled so now what update it? follow the directions on the url I posted wooo this is soo cool yeah *nix shell on win32 :). spooky even. well it seems terribly slow though what is terribly slow? or this is maybe a very old version of wget no probs here though I just went to the gnu site, and fetched it with IE. Saved it to the proper directory and extracted it all from the cygwin shell oh really yeha yeah i guess that can be done hehe you got unixy power and ease of IE available to you :D then i can use d/l accelerator way faster sure whatever floats your boat don't attempt to extract the tarballs with winzip though. It's lame about it all do it the way the website shows, but from the cygwin shell so you get all the tools you need. i see well im familiar with linux alright then you should be ok i dont like the look of this bash shell i want directory well then set it up the way you want it :D heh actually never done that well llook into it later gdb i s jsut for remote debugging right? yeah I didn't set that up k I do it the painful way compile an dcopy to the archos? and yup :D like the old cobol days but is remote debugging possible in window stoo? IDK probably cc not found change CC=cc to CC=gcc in the makefile k ah text editor none vi not there? no :/ stupid cygwin you should be able to go back and install that package ill just use my win text editor that shoudl workd yup so i change it to gcc and try configure again yeah well i didnt have gcc either oh well install it :D you need a current rev to get yourself started i tell you, cygwin installer suxx I don't like the package selection either but once it's installed it works well yes it owuld be coolt with an apt-like system heh cyg-get gcc =) yes that would be nice wouldnt be too har dot accomplish sinc eit already is installing by downloading packages prolly possible to fix in a perl script does it have one once you install the main portion of cygwin? I've never seen one, but it might exist :D im trying aain again and again :D it seems to be able to configure now but its acting like a p133 or something eww http://xfree86.cygwin.com/screenshots/cygwin-xfree86-wmaker.png i have to try X under cygwin prolly slow probably but it is kind of funny eyeah well its kinda stupid when one looks at vmware i wish there was a open source vmware clone u still there g003y damn my cygwin dir is 300 mb now that sucls anyone know off hand who commited bounce.[ch]? nm http://www.spiegel.de/img/0%2c1020%2c190869%2c00.jpg --> plmirc (plmirc@139.189.62.62.9massy1-1-ro-bas-1.9tel.net) has joined #rockbox <-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <-- plmirc has quit (Client Quit) --> ivana-87- (~PanicShow@adsl-34-206-79.bct.bellsouth.net) has joined #rockbox | PS | -| PS | <-- ivana-87- (~PanicShow@adsl-34-206-79.bct.bellsouth.net) has left #rockbox was that random or just a bot? :D <-- green_ has quit ("Client Exiting") <-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox --> hyperpod (~hyperpod@216-99-206-2.cust.aracnet.com) has joined #rockbox <-- hyperpod (~hyperpod@216-99-206-2.cust.aracnet.com) has left #rockbox --- dwihno|weekender is now known as dwihno <-- PsycoXul has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-43-104.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox Yay, sokoban rules :D --> myshkin (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox lo * myshkin notes twin is cool :p a good escape from lame X11 is it good? :) I never tried it, I've always sticked to screen heh it's funky I like it... I still use screen ;p I'll try to compile it and test it out heh using debian? if so, there is a decent package for it. I compiled my own, out of sheer boredom * myshkin quaffs a jolt cola oh yeah, this is me, adam, or kitsune, or whatever I've settled on this name, for now ;) mkay twsetroot == funny, I've got my ascii art motd as a 'background' yay --> adi|dads (adi_dads@pool-138-89-3-104.mad.east.verizon.net) has joined #rockbox <-- myshkin has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) anyone around or everyone sleeping? <-- adi|dads has quit (Client Quit) --> myshkin (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox <-- myshkin has quit (Client Quit) --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox moo YIKES! * dwihno jumps high * dwihno ends up sitting in a tree :-) Did you enjoy the weekend? I certainly did you? Hmm. I spent the saturday working on a project, and yesterday I did my laundry and cleaned my appartment ;) I guess there are funnier things to do, but at least, it's done. "I brännvin ska du bada, i Bacchi lada" the build is.... *red* :O OH MY GOOOOD! :( Call in the TASK FORCE! * Bagder dials 911 * dwihno dials 1-800-BAGDER :D * dwihno dials 1-800-ZAGOR * dwihno dials 1-800-LINUS Hmm, "numret du ringer har flyttat, men saknar referens" :) --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox Good morning Linus, welcome back to the wonderful world of ROCKBOX! :D Thank you! :-) hey Linus Linus: I don't really undertand the current compile-status link breakage, can you have a look at it? hello there morning elinenbe It means that the pad section overlaps the rodata section the pad section is located at an absolute address but what is the pad section for? remove it would it be possible to get CVS access? the pad section is for ....padding... you know the minimum size thing padding what? aaah the archos firmware doesn't load very small .mod files 2:30 am -- US vs. Mexico! I am holding out here. DERBY! hey, what is up with fillrect() -- I tried to use this on the recorder, and it just gave me a blinking led light Oh, we accidentally misspelled the lcd_blink() function. Sorry, couldn't resist... :-) * dwihno loves the sokoban gokomuku game! :D elinenbe: mail your sf account user name to Björn to get cvs access elinenbe: no text on screen? Badger: will do. Linus: what do you mean no text on screen? I was just making that little sokoban game, and I attempted to use fill_rect() (something like that) and it never worked properly. elinenbe: did you try to fill a big rectangle? not at all.. elinenbe: I mean "no error message?" maybe 4x4 pixels oh oh. yeah there was NO error message btw, I think I've broken lcd_invertrect() whatever that function is supposed to be good for that worked in my game. I used it for the winning screen it gives a nice flash effect well, were you using the cvs sources? no -- yesterdays tarball ok I modified the behavior on saturday Badger: what happened to Sweden in the Cup? lost against Senegal yesterday yeah :( Such a sad moment! Bagder: only the recorder has reached the minimum size oh eh Andersson did a really cool circus number trying to score can we make it conditional somehow? I don't think so, we may need two lds files or can we have multiple -T options perhaps? multiple? I hate having two files almost identical would be better if the pad thing could be included with a second -T optin When I tried to compile more levels into the sokoban game, it gave me an error -- is there a maximum size for variables or something like that? elinenbe: we're fixing that just noww oh great. that is nice. elinenbe: quick fix: cvs update firmware/app.lds I made a separate lds file now elinenbe: you did notice your added files make the build go yellow? ;-) yeah -- there was a sprintf or something like that. I will fix it. have Björn add you to the dev team first, then you can do it yourself with cvs --> green_ (~green@adsl-64-160-53-171.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox hey green * Bagder runs off to fill up more coffee yeah I will do that. --> l_9_l (~jarod@217.17.228.127) has joined #rockbox --> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox hey ho Z hey --- Received a CTCP VERSION from l_9_l (to #rockbox) <-- l_9_l (~jarod@217.17.228.127) has left #rockbox * Bagder hms he comes here CTCP-versioning us all and then leaves... looking for vulns, no doubt indeed damn those h4x0rs oooh, sokoban :) * Zagor is reading his mail Zagor: I'm WAAAAY ahead of you! :D you absent person ;-) yeah, i was /away this weekend Zagor: you need to add elinenbe to the sf project so that he can fix the yellow build ;-) righty, what's his sf username? elinenbe: booo! here? two klez mails for the list blocked already yeah, but one true spam got through... :-/ yup cought in my filter though ;-) caught X-Spam-Because: subject matched regex "[A-Z0-9]+.*[A-Z]{3,}.*[A-Z]{5,}.*[A-Z]{3,}" !! the range {3,} means unlimited? 3 to to unlimited, yes mkay * dwihno just learned something new * dwihno fixes some code rightaway ;D haha :) Zagor: we should evaluate SpamAssasin for filtering the list have you looked at it? no, but I've read a bunch of good things about it seems to be about the same concept like my blockspam but better implemented ok as long as it has 50+ command line options, it ruulez ;) software with less = bad :) curl --help | grep - -- | wc -l 79 :-) :D have any of you guys had a problem starting the archos firmware once you've ran rockbox? nope some people in the yahoo list indicates problems of that kind I am hgere I am here I just watched USA beat Mexico 2-0!!!! elinenbe: tell Zagor your sf account name hey, elinenbe. what's your sf name? I am most positive it is elinenbe ok I have had the restart problem in my recorder it turns out that the extension of the firmware has a meaning how did you solve it? The only firmware file on my recorder was ajbrec.ejz elinenbe: you're added thanks. what is the meaning of the firmware extension? i copied it to ajbrec_orig.ejz and copied the new ajbrec.ajz to the HD worked OK yes, that .ejz file is mysterious then i wanted to go back to the original so i removed the ajbrec.ajz and copied the ajbrec_orig.ejz to ajbrec.ejz no go. it booted from the ROM i renamed ajbrec.ejz to ajbrec.ajz. no go i had to download a new ajbrec.ajz from archos web site really strange no, .ejz and .ajz are not the same kinds of files they look very different interesting i didn't know that i wonder what the difference is do any of you have an .ejz file we can look at? I do maybe it is descrambled? my thoughts too but there's no strings at all visisble for example Linus: what is the status of audio on the recorder? but then why doesn't it work when you replace it? they are also differently sized -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel daniel 111130 Apr 8 23:48 AJBREC.ajz -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel daniel 136938 Apr 8 23:48 ajbrec.ejz it sure looks unscrambled elinenbe: patience, Grasshopper... No status at all ? :-) at least the vector table appears intact * dwihno is tiny grasshopper too I have I2C contact with the chip. Grasshopper? nah, the vector table is not right elinenbe: A line from a kung-fu TV series. I have forgotten its' name. Zagor: did you notice the "ARCH" text in the beginning? it's always grasshoppers in the kung-fu movies yes Zagor is grasshopper too brb <-- elinenbe has quit ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") --> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox need... more... coffee Actually, the name of the TV series _is_ "Kung Fu". The apprentice is called Caine, and his master is called Master Kan or something A real classic --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox --- elinenbe is now known as elinenbe|sleepin brb <-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") --> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox Zagor mm? hi! =) ah :) Zagor: checked that FAT bug report yet? nope, will do just got a core when shuffling the playlist... oh deep in X hua --- Linus is now known as Linus|lunch the ATA bug report is wrong oh we do use 'startsector', only not where he thought it would be he had to make the change because he disabled caching well, fine then ;-) i built the compiling ewnvironment using cygwin it worked fine neato no include warnings? did you build with newlib or not? well m y point was that cygwin just messed up and i deleted it cause it sucks. but it's acool idea. now im going for vmware instead. =) heh real linux :-P its kinda cool that you can assign a iso image as the cdrom for the virtual machine It Works Better (tm) vmware in general impresses me a lot. its cool enough something else taht is cool is PalmVNC with the scaling-enabled VNC server you can even get the desktop scaled to fit on the pal m screen, heh people come up with the neatest things :-) hmm, should FAT shortnames be all uppercase or all lowercase? no idea I like lowercase better of course I just created "allfiles.m3u" and it became all uppercase and thus not recognized as a playlist :) hehe not case insensitive yet, huh? ;-) btw, I think we should jump through some hoops to support winamp-generated playlists. i.e. handle backslash, no preceding slash and also disk names. well the paths will be wrong anyway, won't they? why? because winamp will use the full path to the tracks and we won't use the same paths or maybe we will if we cut off the disk name yeah, but the archos is a new disk (F: for example) so the path will be ok exactly good point so yes, we should convert slashes and ignore disk names I made it ignore #-lines the other day good for some reason, winamp creates one # line for every file when creating a new list. there's no info on the line, just the filename... it supposedly can store time info etc there song lengths i'll make them lowercase umm, or maybe not. lowercasing CP437 is not so fun... --> calpefrosch|work (~calpefros@62.52.174.30) has joined #rockbox --- calpefrosch|work is now known as calpefrosch hi hi calpefrosch heyyy, froggie! :) the list of users has grown since I went in holidays <-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus Bagder: what is the idea with this code: if('/' == now_playing[1]) return &now_playing[1]; when will the second character be a slash? to prevent two initial slashes --> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox it usually is usually? if the file name was an absolute path it loads the file name from position 1 s/from/at ah, yes. missed that. we might not want that safety precautions why not? its just a matter of where to draw the line adding a preceeding slash will hardly make us find the right file anyway if the playlist uses relative paths in my test case it would work, so I'd say it has a value so leave it I mean, leave it in there yes this should make most winamp playlists work I just tried the PLAY key in the recorder. It doesn't work. Why? because we now only check for the RIGHT key. it was part of the #ifdef cleanup. yes, it's wrong :( :) uh, my recorder menu key stopped working??? sim bah, my silly X doesn't send the events! heh <-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") --> Zagor (~bjst@mimas.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox <-- Zagor has quit (Client Quit) --> Zagor (~bjst@mimas.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox yoyo? :-) Zagor: it sucks to have a modem, right? :-) yeah, trying to get a new kernel on this damn redhat box but the initrd junk barfs on me is there a point to sokoban.c having #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP around the whole code? i'm removing it no point * Zagor is listening to whole-disk random playback. And smiles. I think g003y said he couldn't make playlist work this weekend was that the play button not doing right? yeah, some ppl on yahoo said that too. i think it was probably us being picky about playlist formwat that's fixed now so you tried making a playlist with winamp and play it yet? yep, that's what I'm playing now ok coolio wow, going towards a green build again and having shuffle as an option makes a lot more sense, I think yay Zagor: it does however, now you can't re-shuffle, can you? --> alkorr (alkorr@srs08m-5-51.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox hi ! just start the list again Zagor: so it re-seeds on playlist load? hi alan i'm learning now that we don' need newlib any longer to compile rockbox :) Bagder: yes, using current_tick ok we should remake the makefiles to use the include files I added Linus: can I get my player-new some day, for testing? hmm, what happens if a playlist file isn't found? it stops it won't be loaded ;-P in fact, we should have keep includes but just change add our own headers for non-simulator part but never mind :) I'll rebuild my gcc without newlib what ? "permission denied" ??? ? hehe, the scroll is quite slow while loading mp3 data :) i cannot access cvs !? Zagor: no way. I sold it. :-) cvs -z9 update -P (in directory E:\rockbox\apps\) Permission denied, please try again. Permission denied, please try again. Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive). strange I haven't had any problems i try again caps lock? :-) aahh good idea nope, i'm really in trouble hey, did you check the "bounce" screen? ;-) "bounce" ? I had a little time over this weekend... hehe got to excercise the lcd api a bit Linus: boohoo! how about some chicken lunch tomorrow? damned gcc i'm trying to login sourceforge.net to check Zagor: great idea! 11:30? <-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:2: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'. /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:3: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'. /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:4: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'. fun huh? :-/ what are the lines ? no idea, the file is generated and then removed when I wanna check it out /tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:47: Error: no such 386 instruction: `rotcl' -save-temp ahahaha it seems to be a confusion to which cpu it is for 386 !? yeah --target=sh-elf ok i know you are calling the bad 'as' "the bad as" ? it must be 'sh-elf-as' yes it seems it calls not the right 'as' (assembler) all I do is invoke configure and then make oh you mean it doesn't come from the rockbox source ? this is gcc 3.0.3 I'm trying to build a cross compiler without newlib when you compile gcc 3.0.3 ? huh... i don't remember to have the same error... <-- jb1081 has quit (Remote closed the connection) well i compile gcc 3.0.3 but i fail to compile newlib, even when i asked not to add it compiled but as it compiled gcc before well i just make a 'make install' and it looks as if working does anyone know any unfixed bugs right now? * Bagder shakes his head thinking og 1.1 release? of yes normally i followed the instructions given by Linus it's been over two weeks yeah, its time since 1.0 and over one week since we met the roadmap for 1.1 and my only problem came from newlib compilation, not during gcc I'll sort it out when you compile, just try to configure without any SH binary paths added in PATH no it is stupid for me it is the contrary you must add the as,ld, etc. for SH target in PATH when configuring and compiling gcc did you make it ? yes strange... yes but for as or sh-elf-as ? sh-elf-as is the SH versin, as is the native version because i put the path where to find sh-elf-as I have them all weird... I have a theory I'm trying out now zagor: password for cvs is the same for sourceforge.net login ??? yes OK I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS I MUST INVERT CASE IT IS BECAUSE I'VE GOT A new keyboard, very weird !!!! Bagder: the ejz file, was it the one that came with your archos? yes aaahh i happen to get managed with downloading them. I was afraid. :/ ok try them. CU ! <-- alkorr has quit () hm, right --prefix has to match the binutils path when I build gcc Zagor: you ready to cut off the newlib headers? i haven't looked at it in a while. are we there? yes excellent. i am ready but I thought I'd install a newlib-less gcc too so that I can see for myself * Bagder installs --> jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox yes, good idea since elinbe and g003y both installed without newlib they got include errors when compiling --> plmirc (plmirc@139.189.62.62.9massy1-1-ro-bas-1.9tel.net) has joined #rockbox hi hey ho plmirc want to test something on a archos 10G ? nothing in particular right now, I think, get the latest binary and play around and see if it works! ata -2 with the last one gosh! the only one which work is the one that linus send me hm I thought we added Linus' check me too Zagor: any clues? hmmm odd the check is added where did linus go? dunno why isn't there a firmware for today about recorder version ? *someone* broke it... the last one is for yesterday plmirc: if you check the build status at the bottom, you can see the red boxes... look further down on the page and you see that the recorder build failed in the 23:40 build Zagor: with our own "libc" headers in include/ we could move a few dir.h and file.h etc protos into the "regular" header files yup i don't see red boxes only green at the 2002-06-17 2012:20:00 linse i don't see red boxes only green at the 2002-06-17 2012:20:00 line yes but the daily build is made at 06:00 04:00 GMT actually right so we have wait to 2 hours before have the daily build for recorder we have to wait 14 hours for the next build daily means "once per day". and that once is 04:00 GMT hmm ok and if one crash.. there is anything for the day but you can grab my latest at bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz oki we make more frequent development builds, but there is little point in publishing them uff sim build died I can imagine ata -2 again ... :'( plmirc: ok ok, it seems to work now no newlib headers nice and the replacement ones are really small i'm removing newlib from the gcc instructions, then yep do you specify --without-newlib or nothing at all? when compiling gcc nothing at all ok updated dang red builds red builds ctype booo! we need ctype for strcasecmp later anyway yeah this shuffle playback rocks! zagor : you want a retest it now ? zagor : you want I retest it now ? plmirc: no, i haven't done any changes. I need to speak to Linus first, to see what he had in the build he gave to you hm ok obviously, his code was not the same as he checked into cvs visually... Zagor: the copying file should be in FILES too, right? yes all green again goodie --> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB7AE.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox hi hi ironi: what's your real name (for credits) "Tome Cvitan" I guess ok he posted to the list once ah I'm listing three changes since 1.0: scrolling, playlist, shuffle have we done anything else? :-) not that is visible in the players <-- calpefrosch has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Zagor: Any enlightenment regarding the LCD flickering? no --> mecrawnicknack (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has joined #rockbox Really strange. we'll be testing with some faster forms of scrolling later, that might solve it we do *two* updates when we scroll one line really? that's bad that's probably why I'll make a breakpoint and check wherefrom how do you get it to two? there's only one in scroll_thread() well, lcd_update() gets called twice ;-) :) Bagder - master of debugging We are all tiny grasshoppers in his presence first: tree.c:155 and then at tree.c:366 right showdir() should probably not do lcd_update() how sily ll :D You guys are <----- this -----> great coders :) Just idling in this channel, I learn lots of stuff ): :) * Bagder blushes Zagor: you fix? yup fine * dwihno learned more about regexp today :) I think this is the flicker regexes rock * dwihno starts the drumroll - will the LCD get fix0red... lol try this build, guys: http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz * dwihno fetches morning all. --- elinenbe|sleepin is now known as elinebe|class morning elinenbe much better in the simulator at least what have you guys been working on last night? you sim guys, when will we get player icons in the simulators? :) can you fix us a good closeup picture showing them? IT'S FIXED! DAMN! nope :) --> alkorr (alkorr@srs03v-3-246.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox and an api that uses them YOU RULES! :D hmm the icons.. hm *cool* the button management is smoother too, I think... Am I right? dwihno: so it looks fine now when scrolling? zagor, is it you in charge of FAT ? yes Bagder: not a single flicker! :D Bagder: it's ... perfect! :D MY PRECIOUS! :D dwihno: nice there is two way to handle FAT mirroring FAT or just select the active FAT you use which one ? * dwihno would like a sorting which places dirs first, and then the files ;) did you guys ever figure out the .ejz thing? elinebe|class: nope that sorting by type could be easily done if you prefix string with one byte we use qsort, we don't have to prefix, we have structs its just that the sort function ignores type atm you mean you use a comp function pointer given to qsort ? yeps and it compares names only oh yeah more dynamic you could give to user the choice for kind of sorting :) indeed alkorr: actually, I use neither method. I use the first fat, always :) i sense a bug here :) okay, i suggest to use the active FAT on the first FAT that way, Windows knows the other FAT are not mirrored yes. still it shouldn't be much of a problem until we start writing on the disk yes i know, it is only a suggestion if you don't like to be forced to mirror the fats yes, i think it's a good suggestion there is a way to be sure that Windows and jukebox are synched to use the active fat but to tell the truth, i seldom see one fat partition use this mode. never i should say :) this is a little black magic. the specs say one thing, but what does windows actually do? i just know this option exists the only difficult part is that : can windows change the active fat without our demand ? huh, i mean : can Windows selects another active FAT without our demand alkorr: Today is a good day - the LCD glitch is removed! :D glitch ? yeah what does that mean ? like visible vsync's on the recorder a double lcd_update() so the scrolling is now flawless (up&down) dwihno: how does the side scroll look? Lemme check strange, i remember this word but i cannot find its meaning in my dictionnary :/ ok, understood Zagor: lookín' good! it remembers me some old story when i had a 8086 ;) Zagor: about the 1.1 release, you could point out how cool our playlist support is already ;-) But the directory reading still appears a bit broken dwihno: that's really strange. I can't repeat that no matter what I do Hmm... Weird :/ I'll let you have a look at my unit when I get to stockholm in july if the problem hasn't been solved by then ;) Zagor: my suggestion is just that at booting, if jukebox sees the FAT partition is mirroring, it sets first FAT active. * Bagder sense another devcon ;-) play should also allow entering a directory/play a file YAY! DEVCON! :D Bagder: yeah, i'm raving a bit about that :) alkorr: yes * Bagder is going home, see ya <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox i'm thinking if we should wait for the recorder ata fix or release 1.1 without it the scroll is so darn cool! Kudos to the scrolly ppl! Zagor: no problem, just a recall for future dwihno: hehe, glad you like it :D I'm not mentioned in the credits :¨¨( * dwihno plays some sokoban and gets happy again dwihno: watch the jukebox power ;) yay! :) huh can you really watch the power bar ? no --> matsl (~matsl@dhcp102.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox ok a future TODO... ooh, matsl! matsl = ? a coworker of mine secret undercover archos employee! secret undercover archos employee! secret undercover archos employee! :) cool co-workers only talk via irc :) Hi there! Is there a todo-list for the player somewhere? matsl: not really, we make it up as we go along :) ok. Any suggestion for a small first hack? --> alan (alkorr@srs03v-3-246.n.club-internet.fr) has joined #rockbox <-- alkorr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) ??? matsl: do you have an archos too? :) jupp matsl: your domain ? Darn, 75% of contactor are cool ;D I guess Zagor has promoted it widely ;) dwihno: what's wrong with the others? ;) Zagor: they are secret undercover dudes and girls! Domain??? i mean your skills are you electroncians, programmer, etc. Programmer you bought a jukebox because of Vjörn ? :) s/V/B matsl: i can't think of any small isolated things. what we need right now (after 1.1 release) is improved UI. OK we need to get back to viewing the id3 tag while playing, simpler volume adjustment, next/prev track etc. BTW, what is the status of Rockbox with Recorder ? oh yes cannot play with mpeg (missing MAS stuff) Patience, grasshopper ;) alan: yes. also it seems the rec6/10 ata problem is not completely solved yet. plmirc can't get his started. we haven't been able to reach linus since lunch, so we don't know what he did. his build is the only one that works for plmirc... just a question, the ATA addresses are all 3xx for Rec6/10 and 2xx for Rec20 ? no, just the CONTROL and STATUS okay, it is the problem ?? all the address must be 3xx or 2xx. There must be no mixing of 3xx and 2xx addresses no, but that's ok. there is only 3 or 2. OK. Bye folks. See you later. the rest of the registers use 1 bye mats oh yes ALTSTAT you mean sorry :) yes yes you are totally right <-- matsl has quit ("Liece") <-- green_ has quit ("Client Exiting") hey guys hi whats up? preparing for 1.1 relase. fixed some playlist issues if nibbles isn't implemented I'm not going to be happy nibbles? i'd rather see features than games.. games == waste of time listening to music while riding the T == good thing the current player is definitely T material, with the playlist support :D yeah, especially the recorder build ;D the recorder is getting games because we're all waiting for the MAS code to be ready A little poll... What kind of ear/headphones do you guys have? and, face it, the recorder is too fun to leave alone :) Sony EX70 i have those sony wrap arounds big poll :) :) yeah :) I'm impressed, are you impressed? I'm Mike Levy, for amazing discoveries! *do the hand thing in the air* those earphones look really weird Zagor when rockbox has equilizer support (like the archos does, adjust bass, trebil, etc) then i'll be happy.. they rule miah: it already has oh? its implemented now? i havnt looked since 1.0 it's in the menu 1.0 had it. "sound" in the menu. nice ah, imust have missed it Zagor: how expensive were the phones? damn, boards of canada has a trippy site very very hot, i swear ;//// cu <-- alan has quit () dwihno: something like 500 SEK i think Whoa what makes them so special? I'm quite satisfied with my sony blahblah-something for 350 SEK the sound, simply... they have awesome sound Well, you must let me test them on DEVCON, mkay? :) yeah, so was I until I tried these hehe, sure what headfones are they (product name..) Sony EX70 * dwihno has some sony stuff for biking and sennheiser HD 570 for "comfortable" listening ah those.. for 40 Euros.. (or where thos diffrerent ones) Zagor: how is the bass? * dwihno listens much to evil dance beats dwihno: the best. seriously. I keep it at ~10% setting on the recorder, and that's plenty :) * edx needs those headphones Darn... My laptop purchase will leave me broke for a decade :) hehe But at least, I can play q3a :) I was thinking about making a HD swap (laptop <--> archos) :) hehe heh then I realized I need to get a bigger disk 30 gig is not enough i'd much rather have 30gigs in my laptop yeah I'll get a 40 gig disk for the archos and keep all music in that then I'll keep all code and stuff in the laptop the only thing i hate about archos is FAT32 and defraging over USB seriously, fat32 isn't such a bad choice for this kind of device. yea i know, but fragmentation sucks ass it's plain and simple, no fuss no special features fragmentation, with 3+ meg files? yep most of my mp3's are 6-10megs you must be doing a LOT of back-and-forth:ing... * dwihno agrees to Zagor not really, but i havnt defrag'd in over a year, and i can tell you, songs skip now they do? what model do you have? 6000 ah, mkay weird but after i defrag, its all happy What amount of buffer is it in the 6000? 2meg i think yep, same as the others defrag:ing once a year is something you do when you're at your friend's place (Zagor, hehe) with an USB2 interface ;) i encode all my mp3's with vbr, and alot of the songs i listen to are really long (lots of autechre, squarepusher, boards of canada, and other strangeness) so they're long and big files.. the songs i have that are 128k and small (punk stuff) playback pretty well, i dont have many problems with them miah: you could try running an analysis on it and see. i still thing it sounds odd to get fragmentation problems on this big files yea i make sure to run scandisk/norton disk doctor on it every now and then i never do that :) Zagor: Are those yours: MDR-EX70LP yup cool %0$ 50 .. hmm gotta have them.. i use the standrd archos headphones right now.. they remind me of earplugs :) ouch you need to replace those headphones! with the volume control they really suck LOL i know My boss got my archos headphones ): :) He said "the sound quality is good" Then I just smiled guess i'll change the style of music i listen to if i change my headphones haha gotta go. see you tomorrow, guys! <-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") I should go too But I need to fix some code first Otherwise I'll have to spend time tomorrow to get in synch with the coding --- jedix is now known as jedi|lunch dwihno: the bass gets down to 6 HZ with those head phones :) whoaaaaaa :D~~ * dwihno is looking forward to DEVCON, so I can test Zagor's headgear they really must rock i'll order them today i guess hehe you rich pants dude! :) How long is the delivery? I'd like to hear your opinion about the headphones too :) i dont knwo .. a few days (delviery) I want my laptop! :( They haven't even confirmed the order yet :( heh i want to buy head phones for at least half a year now.. your laptop rocks ;) hehe It sure will rock - for at least three years hehe Stupid of me to think so, huh ;) ? nah.. i guess it will last at least two years in a really acceptable speed and it'll certainly still be "enough" after 4 years.. :) yeah :) Then I'll sell my soul once again and get a new one ;) hehe * dwihno looks in the crystal ball... I see... A P6 6,2GHz, 2 gigs of RAM and 2tb disk :) 4 gigs ram.. my guess :) hehe ;) 40 gig of RAM in the box, 40 gigs of RAM, if one would fail or starting to bail, then there'll be 39 gigs of RAM in the box ;) hhe NICK edxUSER OKE60 "" "irc.dal.net" :edx lol geht schon so ein bisschen LOL Was machst du? wtf.. wrong channel window i am sorry im currently writing a proxy program and im debugging :) ah Aber was machst du? <-- plmirc has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Hast du der Ober heute gesehen? --> Bagder2 (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox lol.. moo "der Ober" whats that supposed to mean hi bagder howdy ho, mr bagder mr. bagdad :) Ober.. there is a word.. lkike "waiter " ? yup :) then it is: "Hast du den Ober heute gesehen" hehe <-- mecrawnicknack has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") Me + grammars = BAAAD combination One house, two house :) heh one sheep two sheep.. that works out ;) :) two sheeps! :;) two sheep. too cheap haha (anyone *really* English here?) btw.. just found the Sony headphonse for 38Euros.. been a while since wavey was around about to buy them :)( * Bagder2 's mp3sync-script rocks keeps my archos synced with my local mp3 collection hehe how does it work? edx: cool! buy me some and I'll wear a "Felix kick arse" sweater all summer, deal? :) it checks if all my local mp3s are on the archos, and if I removed any local ones I should remove on the archos too hehehe.. Bagder2: so the local copy is a master? yes exactly I'm --> <-- this close to finish off for the night --> mecraw (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has joined #rockbox --- jedi|lunch is now known as jedix * edx has just ordered his Sony MDR-EX70LP :) :D Now you're a copy of Zagor! * edx is now known as Zagor-edx LOL Darn I want one of those too When I get rich --- edx is now known as edx|Zagor WHOA! you get a laptop for 2500 Bucks... be quiet :) --- edx|Zagor is now known as edx Welcome to the twilight zone! lol Welcome, to the edx zone! For the next 20 seconds, he will control everything you see and hear ;) *beeb* * Bagder2 felt controlled * edx controlled bagder... and dwihno Where am I? Who are you? And why am I wearing pantyhoses? :) hehe hi there hellojs ironi dokthar irouni dwihno: one of those situations again, huh? <-- masters the persian language tavalod moborak! but t they'r ejust $49.95 not very expensive i still think my headphones rulle the planet when it comes to price/performance/cool design Koss PortaPro My Sennheiser HD570 pumps the jam quite nicely too ;D but they are not really portable and sennheiser cant deliver base these babies can :) btw, if you want earplugs, you should consider the koss ksc-35 they're cheap but supposedly MEAN uhm i mean like not earplugs but on the ear phones without bygel =) dwihno: let me win you over: http://www.ljudman.se/portapro.htm or perhaps http://www.ljudman.se/ksc35.htm now i gotta rest, im kinda sick * ironi is gone, *sick* [l/on p/on] --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has left #rockbox --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox <-- elinebe|class has quit ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") --- edx is now known as edx|eatz --- dwihno is now known as dw|gone0r --- Bagder2 is now known as Bagder <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox --- edx|eatz is now known as edx <-- mecraw (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) has left #rockbox --> dfg (~prv@209.166.235.91) has joined #rockbox --> g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has joined #rockbox sup alll? <-- jedix has quit ("and then, just like that, he dissapeared") dang my playlists never play. They load, but never really play. <-- edx has quit ("good night") <-- ironi has quit ("zzz ") <-- dfg has quit ("Client Exiting") anyone awakre? awake that is <-- g003y has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") --> motiv01 (~trillian@sdn-ar-001ncraleP291.dialsprint.net) has joined #rockbox hello there no, hello here --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox <-- motiv01 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) hello all acck.... what did they do to the current tree? --> motiv01_ (~trillian@sdn-ar-001ncraleP243.dialsprint.net) has joined #rockbox <-- g003y has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") --- dw|gone0r is now known as dwihn0r * adi|home screams softly into the night --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox * dwihn0r sings the rockbox anthem --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox Hellojs Bagder morning --- dwihn0r is now known as dwihno bad apache * Bagder rebuilds * Bagder installs --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox morning Linus morning Did you find out anything about the .ejz files yesterday? no but we fixed the flicker oh. too many redraws? yeps one extra looks a lot better now great :D Looks awesome! How is sokoban? Kickass! :) R00lz! The key code needs an overhaul though http://robotron.ton.tut.fi/love_on_video/koto_-_jabdah_(formel_eins).mpg the key code? You mean the bouncing? bouncing? or what did you mean? anyone played with the rockbox on the recorder yet? <-- did hmm * Bagder did too on the recorder, the button processing code is fishy, sometimes when I press once, it does the button action twice etc. did you find that the reboots seem to happen even with the dc in? dwihno: that's contact bouncing reboots? I got no reboots the battery issue when i have the dc in, i still seem to get reboots that sucks adi|home: that _could_ be a grounding problem hmmm.. ok ideas on a solution? hmph... all these recorder types. :) g003y: I take it you're a Player owner... :-) yeah me too. I have both :-) though wish I had that nice bitmap screen :D g003y: you cvsup'ed recently? a few hours ago but my build is all jacked now oh g003y: See it from the bright side, you can at least play music on your box. I had a go a the include issue yday haheheehhe... just wish I could get the playlist to actually work I noticed that we should dig into that problem of yours Björn played an all-disk playlist yesterday on his player fine I see the includes but now time.h begs for machine/somthing.h uh bagder - I think I'm still doing something wrong with the playlists how did you make your playlist? tried a number of ways so far. 1) Vi 2) Winamp 3) Sonqiue 4) a script on the file system because staring only yesterday we support windows drive names and backslashes i also believe that the file names are case sensitive well I tried the 17th compile from work today, but no luck ok that was with a drag n drop from the drive to winamp I know PsycoXul was having probs before, but he hasn't been back to confirm if it started working for him. well, I guess Zagor must show you a version working for him and then you can try that I have no player, I can't play at all ;-) Linus: contact bouncing? yeah a working example would be nice. dwihno: yes, when one keypress kind of "jumps" on the contact so that it gets registered as two or more thats been resolved? Bagder: I never have that problem with the archos firmware :) dwihno: no, because they "debounce" did i miss any of the core apis getting changed? archos has all the docs the bastards :D namely, the rectangle functions? cheaters ;-) adi|home: they changed? i don't know hm suddenly boxes isn't working I might be responsible what was 'screensaver' it works.. but not properly what didyou change? * dwihno will write a polite e-mail to the archos dudes asking for docs and how they do the battery stuff did it use the XOR feature? nope ok, then I don't think its me ;-) so what doesn't work? im trying to figure out what went wrong but the'shrinking' boxes aren't displaying it works in my simulator right now really? yeps the boxes grow and shrink? yeps when did you last do a cvs update? just now ill update again i noticed it because the firmware on the website doesn't do it properly the daily one? yup btw.. how do i remove a file from cvs? odd screensaver.[ch] don't need to be there anymore rm file; cvs rm file cvs ci file ahhh... current compiles for me again after a cvs update goodie god i love the world cup * adi|home smiles happily oh crap.... I think I spoke too soon on current. crap :/ --> Zagor (~bjst@mimas.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox hey there g003y: what fails then? hey Zagor, g003y has problems with playlists well I do a clean get. * dwihno has no problems with rockbox and it says it can't find machine/types.h other than the fishy filename thing I used to do the -I/usr/include hack on the makefile uh, remove that machine/types thing but now you have all the includy stuff going on I'll do it now it's in time.h which was added recently I know, gone now ;-) cool why did you add it ? can recorder tell time? :D yes it can we use that include file, that's why I added it but the player can't right? but we haven't implemented it yet right damn.... another reason to buy the recorder * adi|home screams I made a find and grepped out all libc headers we used and made sure I provided all them bagder * Bagder looks at adi|home there is NO way you have a upto date cvs boxes isn't working proper im tellign you hahahahahahahahaha * adi|home is _not_ insane I can't but to cvs up --> coutta (coutta@adlax6-249.dialup.optusnet.com.au) has joined #rockbox zagor: can you provide me with a smallish example working m3u you've been using? adi|home: boxes work for me in sim at least I would like to verify if I'm an idiot Zagor.. you have a recorder? yes test the latest daily build check the boxes g003y: F:\Film/Soundtrack - Cast Away (End Credits) - Silvestri.mp3 Always (Song Duet).mp3 Reunion.mp3 it _doesnt'_ work oops, stripped leding slashes :) adi|home: ok, will test thank you :) g003y: what is the problem you get? * adi|home places the pistol to his tempel go ahead.. tell me im crazy... i dare you well playlist appears to load, but then just sits at the * adi|home whinces.... blinks.. turns the gun around barrel end has the bullets adi|home: i fixed dynamic IRC page yesterday, so you only have to add the log file now, not update the page * adi|home make a mental note sweet i have to update the log from this weekend the playlist playing doesn't update the screen to anything, does it? g003y: and you name your file whatever.m3u ? blah.m3u Bagder: no it doesn't g003y: it saying indicates that it doesn't think it is a playlist hmmm ok well I must've f'd up somehow then g003y: is it lowercase? the whole filename? Zagor: I forgot your NewPlayer this morning the extension zagor: the whole filename is lowercase Linus: bah! no chicken for you!!! :) g003y: strange Zagor: Pleeeeze. Have some chicken with me....! zagor: I know... thats why I think it's user error still